Oeste
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No, it’s nothing like another argument for abortion, since an all-knowing god must know before conception, in fact he must know everything even before the creation.
Actually It's everything like abortion.
Some women know if they're going to have an abortion before they get pregnant, simply because they don't want the pregnancy. Some don't know until after they're pregnant.
And yes, still others know that if the baby will be born defective, perhaps greatly disfigured or flawed, whether they will continue to bring the baby to term or not.
You are making the same argument here, except you've substituted mankind for the baby.
Our all knowing God knew exactly how we would turn out, long before He created us which means He knew we would be defective. He decided to bring us to term anyways. How is that different from a mother who decides she wants to get pregnant and is set on bring the baby to term no matter what? Are you suggesting there must be something wrong with mom or dad if they're willing to raise a child they know won't be born with "all the bells and whistles"???
So yes, God knew we would be defective. God also knew how to cure our defect while protecting our God given "free will" ability. I really don't see the problem here. There is no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater, especially when you already know how to cure the baby.
This is rather funny. So you think God loves even the greatest sinners and the greatest genocidal maniacs, he loves people who he knows will have to go to hell afterwards, and people who hate him and try to destroy him. He loves Satan Worshipers.
Yes, so when Hitler and Pol Pot were born God loved them. When they did chores around the house or helped dad with his work He loved that too. When they said an encouraging word to a distressed neighbor or consoled someone after a funeral He still loved that too.
But when they decided to fill their hearts with hate, and sought to advance their station at the expense and lives of others, no....I don't see God "loving" that.
Again, I see no problem here.
So his incredible logic is that if he determines someone is destined to be the very worst, he still gives them the gift of life, still allows them to take away life from many others, then puts them in hell at the end.
This was addressed way back in Genesis 18:
He said, “Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of twenty I will not destroy it.” 32 Then he said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again but this once. Suppose ten are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of ten I will not destroy it.”
God was willing to let let Sodom live for the sake of ten, so I'm at a loss as to why anyone would believe He wouldn't let us live for the sake of those willing to follow Him. There are billions of Christians in the world today, made righteous through their faith in Christ:
"What if some were unfaithful? Does their faithlessness nullify the faithfulness of God? 4 By no means! Let God be true though every one were a liar, as it is written,
“That you may be justified in your words, and prevail when you are judged.” Romans 3:3-4
Also see Romans 3:20-22.
3:21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God (which is attested by the law and the prophets) has been disclosed – 3:22 namely, the righteousness of God through the faithfulness of Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction,...
Is he a bit retarded?
If you were persuaded by posts that God is ignorant it might appear that way, but I am not of that persuasion.