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The Contradiction of an All-powerful, All-knowing God

Super Universe

Defender of God
I am far from confused, at least i know the difference between general relativity and mass energy equivalence.

Yet you dictate as though you are the dictator.

Of course you don't see the conflict, look up the definition of impossible. And once again you throw in another red herring to confuse the issue.

Glad you agree.

And another red herring, total OTT bs because you have nothing relevant. First, are you not human? Second, ask the universe how important the humans on one minuscule planet of trillions of planets are and the universe will reply "uh!"

Why do you limit the actions of the brain? The complexity of the brain, the processing power of the brain? Its as though you delight in putting yourself down. The higher brain of course is limited by multitasking, however the brain has lower functions that operate simultaneously (multitasking). But perhaps, you not being human and all, you have problems breathing, seeing, hearing at the same time as contemplating the vagaries of god dun it.

I.e. you breath by multitasking

No it doesn't, you are bastardising Schrödingers cat analogy and mass energy, you seem to have much contusion over mass and energy.

The dual slit experiment is performed with photons, what about gluons, bosons, electrons, protons, neutrobs, prions etc? Non three dimensional wave? How is this observed in a three dimensional universe?

No? Who then?

At least you know the difference between GR and mass energy equivalence? At least you know that. That's all you need. Good luck with it. And I never said they were the same.

I dictate as though I am a dictator? Does a kindergarten teacher ask what the children want to learn today or do they dictate?

Everything is a red herring to some people.

I have nothing relevant? And you do? Give us some new philosophy. Just a little bit. I'll wait...

Ask the universe how important people are and the reply will be "uh!" No, there won't be a reply.

Why do I limit the action of the brain? I did not create humans so I did not limit the actions of the brain.

The brain has lower functions that operate simultaneously? Those are brain stem functions, not cortex functions.

I am not human? I am human, just not like you.

I am bastardizing Schrodinger's Cat? No, go back and re-read the dual slit experiment. The wave changed to a particle ONLY when the detector was turned on. When it's off the wave appears, when it's on the particle appears.

I seem to have much contusion over mass and energy? Right, much contusion.

What about gluons, bosons, electrons, protons, neutrons, prions? What about them?

How are they observed in a three dimensional universe? Not going to tell you.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
At least there is pictures of it. Not having been there myself, I really don't have knowledge of it. However, I'll tell you what, If you want to pay for the air fare, I'll travel with you to Paris to find out for certain, hows that?



Falsifiability. IOW after doing whatever I can to disprove something, when I've failed in that, I'm pretty certain that I can rely on it.



Consistency. I mean if everyone who claims to have spoken to God had the same message that would be pretty evident that something is going on. However what I find is everybody has their own idea about God. Folks will take something like the Bible interpret it according to their own experiences and influences to create for themselves a concept of God to believe in.

I've done that, can do that with any number of various religions. I've gotten to the point I can create pretty much any God I want to. Just I'm aware of doing it.

You want to believe in a God "channelled" by Wilfred Custer Kellogg. Ok, that's fine. I'm quite capable of creating my own God to channel from. However you'd rather believe in the God created by Wilfred for some reason.

So, you think that seeing and touching something is proof? Do you believe in love? Do you believe in gravity? What about the speed of light, have you tested it or do you just trust others who you don't even know? What about history, did you see and touch it or do you just believe others peoples ideas?

Falsifiability is proof to you? Okay, what percentage of the things that you believe in have you ever actually attempted to disprove?

If everyone who has claimed to have spoken to God said the same thing then that would be proof to you? What if it was just a higher evolved being who had the ability to channel humans and was pretending to be God?

You can create any God you want to? How about one that never created anything?

I want to believe in a God channeled by Wilfred Custer Kellogg? The channeled person is not the source of the information. He's a tool.

You're quite capable of creating a God that you can channel from? You're not but I will play your game. Create a god that can explain what dark energy and dark matter are.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
The only difference here is that you've added a supernatural element to the story. That's up to you. Since the supernatural can't be validated I don't use it in my explanations.



The mistake you made is you didn't accept them. You didn't have faith and so there was no conviction for your subconscious, or souls as you like to call it, to work with.

For me faith is easy. It doesn't require any validation, you just choose what to believe in. Your subconscious mind/soul takes care of the rest.



Well they are both interesting experiences. Seeing how your subconscious mind/soul can create these events for you. You are there just consciously watching the event unfold without any volition on your part. Experiencing it once might make you a believer.



I wasn't asking you to prophesize for me. Seems you already know how this works.



Not even the celestial beings? Then how the heck did they get their information on God?



What? I'm not sure what you're implying here. I assume the shepherd can watch the flock and still find time to write a book.



Well partly aware. The subconscious mind can create a reality for you to experience. This is actually happening all of the time. Not just in your dreams.

The supernatural can't be validated? Sure it can, just not by primitives.

The mistake I made was not accepting what I was taught as a child? That was one of the best things I ever did. It wasn't because I had no faith, I had too much faith. I knew that God was not angry and not jealous and did not kill people despite what I was being told.

There was no conviction for my subconscious to work with? The subconscious, the soul, has very little to work with other than a curiosity or attraction to certain things.

For you faith is easy, you just let your subconscious take care of it? Ever have one of those moments when your mind flips back and forth between a good or a bad action? Like having an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other? One says "Cheat on your wife. She'll never know". The other says "Don't do it. It's wrong."

Experiencing tongues might make me a believer? Been to churches that did that. It didn't do anything for me. I want new ideas, advanced philosophy, not parlor tricks that only fool the primitives.

If you had my subconscious experiences, you would defecate your pants. I'm not talking about dreams either, I'm talking about daytime, not expecting it, bam!

How did the celestial beings get their information on God? Heaven is God's central focus. Around heaven is paradise, the living place of beings who have ascended. Angels are formed in the dimensions outside of heaven so they do not know God. They only know what they have researched and what they have been told about God. The angels have their research in a book called "Liminal Cosmogony." The UB is only a part of that book.

A shepherd can watch a flock and still write a book? I'm not writing a book. The book is already written but only a part of it is available here now. I'm looking for the one sheep who knows the rest of the book.

The subconscious mind can create a reality for me to experience? The subconscious mind can't do very much. It can play around with the things it is given but that's about it.

This thing you think is the subconscious mind is really God and the universe is a hologram. It's a movie and God is the movie projector. We don't realize it because we are in the movie.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Can I assume you know this because of the bible, which is the word of God? So therefore God must know this. But you said God has chosen Not to know our choices in advance.
It is a contradiction to say God knows that no-one will destroy mankind, yet he doesn’t know our choices in advance. It's also a contradiction to say he is all-knowing and yet chooses not to know some things.
But let’s put that aside. Let’s say someone is going to be as bad as Hitler or Pol Pot and kill millions. And God has chosen not to know. That would grossly negligent and he would be responsible for more evil in the world, and still would eventually punish the bad person. Why would he choose not to know in advance and then just send him straight to hell?

Interesting reasoning on your part, I want to make the point that there would be faithful ones such as starting with Adam's son Abel. As to how many would prove faithful is the unknown number.
Just as we can't count the grains of sands on the seashore, who ends up faithful is an unknown number.
Scripture tells us Jesus died for all, but because all would not end up accepting him is why Matthew 20:28 says Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all. That is because not all or everyone would accept Jesus' teachings. Only humble meek people will inherit the Earth.

God sends No one straight to hell. Biblical hell is just the temporary grave for the un-conscious dead.
That is why Jesus taught ' sleep ' in death and Not pain at John 11:11-14 which agrees with Psalms 115:17; 146:4.
The dead know nothing according to Ecclesiastes 9:5. So the Bible's hell is just the grave.
Man is responsible for his own choices. If man chooses evil it is his free-willed choice.
No one forced Hitler and No one forced Pol Pot, etc.
When resurrected if one chooses to be wicked they will be destroyed forever at that time frame.
All the wicked destroyed forever according to Psalms 92:7. 'Destroyed' and Not sent hell (grave).
The allowing of wickedness at this time frame is showing that man can't establish Peace on Earth.
It is man's history that shows beyond doubt that man can Not successfully govern himself.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I am starting with an assumption that God is all-knowing and all-powerful. (Let me know if you don't agree). You said God does not judge us until death. Therefore God must choose not to judge us right from the start (being all-knowing, he must know exactly what we are going to do).
Why would he make that choice and allow the possibility of people to do terrible things, which could ruin his plan and cause millions of people to die? All he has to do is send them straight to hell before birth.

I can't find a Scripture that says God judges us at death, rather at Romans 6:7; Romans 6:23 it says the one who has died "IS" freed or acquitted from sin. How would one judge one who is freed or acquitted from their sins.
Just as a governor can free or acquit someone for their crimes, Jesus can free or acquit someone of their sins.
So, I can't agree with the person's saying God judges us at death.

As far as those of us still alive at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37 it is the living that are judged at that time frame. So, there will be a judging of the living and the figurative righteous people are placed at Christ's right hand of favor, so to speak, meaning they can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth right into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governing rule over Earth begins.

If God would have ended life with rebels Adam and Eve then none of us would have the opportunity to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us. The passing of time has allowed for all of us to be born.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If God chooses not to know, then by definition he is not all-knowing.

Who says God is all-knowing. Sure God does know the final outcome that there will be healing for earth's nations according to Revelation 22:2, but as to who will be part of that healing benefit remains to be seen.
We are all asked to ' repent ' at 2 Peter 3:9 if we do Not want to ' perish ' (be destroyed). The choice is ours to make.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
So, you think that seeing and touching something is proof? Do you believe in love? Do you believe in gravity? What about the speed of light, have you tested it or do you just trust others who you don't even know? What about history, did you see and touch it or do you just believe others peoples ideas?

I experience love, I experience gravity, the speed of light is a useful concept created by man. Actually I have some doubts about it, but that's neither here nor there. I don't trust claims of other folks that much. I give folks the benefit of the doubt but I'm not going to rely on them with any great certainty.

Falsifiability is proof to you? Okay, what percentage of the things that you believe in have you ever actually attempted to disprove?

I have to prove things to other folks all the time. It's part of my Job. Actually I try to prove everything I believe in. Like my ability to create a God. Of course there are thing I am unable to test. Like God for example. So I feel in these cases, I'm free to believe whatever I what as long as I don't pretend I have in certainty in that belief.

I'm not saying you can't believe in any God you want to. I'm just saying it you are unable to test that belief then you shouldn't do so with any certainty.

If everyone who has claimed to have spoken to God said the same thing then that would be proof to you? What if it was just a higher evolved being who had the ability to channel humans and was pretending to be God?

Sure, and what if we are all brains in a vat? Just being fed perceptions by a computer. This is the point. You can come up with any crazy scenario you want to if you're not going to try and validate it. You can believe it too. Just realize that if you are unable to test it, prove it through some means you really shouldn't feel certainty about it.

You can create any God you want to? How about one that never created anything?

Sure, just stick him in some void somewhere not doing anything. Be kind of easy to believe in since I wouldn't have to expect anything from them.

I want to believe in a God channeled by Wilfred Custer Kellogg? The channeled person is not the source of the information. He's a tool.

I'm not saying you can't. You can believe anything you want. But if you can't test it, you really can't have in certainty in that belief.

You're quite capable of creating a God that you can channel from? You're not but I will play your game. Create a god that can explain what dark energy and dark matter are.

Honestly that would take time. I don't have direct control over the subconscious mind. Not sure I want to invest the time into it.

I'm not sure what good it will do you though. Either I could honestly channel it. See what my subconscious mind it able to come up with, or consciously create a plausible explanation from whatever information I could gather.

Either way you wouldn't be able to verify it for yourself, so I don't know exactly what it would prove. Might be fun though, for my own benefit. I'll think about it.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Incorrect, God is NOT an ignoramus. If God “does not know” then He is stupid about some things or silly about others. The key to understanding this is to know when scripture speaks anthropomorphically or when it speaks literally, rather than allowing someone or something to lead us into believing God is ignorant about you, me or any other aspect, characteristic, and/or trait of His creation.
Yes we have free choice, but “Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD” (Psalm 139:4). If your assertion is true then Psalm 139:4 is a lie!
God is NOT limited by his creation, or by our choices. “God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.” 1 John 3:20
Any idea that God is or has been continuously, voluntarily, or blissfully ignorant informed is nonsensical and unbiblical. You are describing a pagan rather than scriptural Deity.

God can read hearts ( we can't ) so yes God would know before a word in one's tongue because thoughts come before speech. You might find Jesus' recorded words at Matthew 12:34-37 to be of interest.
Jesus also gives us the choice at Matthew 24:13 that if we endure to the end ( end of life or his second coming ) so if known in advance there would be No need for Jesus to judge as he will judge by hearts as mentioned at Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16.

I notice at 1 John 3:20 'for if our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts, and knows all things.'
Knows all things about our hearts, or as Hebrews 4:13 says that all things are naked and openly exposed to His eyes. We have an accounting for our free-will actions. We are responsible for our actions.
That is why Jesus will separate people as per Matthew 25:31-33,37 placing the humble righteous-hearted ones with a favorable judgement. The figurative haughty ' goats ' will have an adverse judgement at that coming time.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
I experience love, I experience gravity, the speed of light is a useful concept created by man. Actually I have some doubts about it, but that's neither here nor there. I don't trust claims of other folks that much. I give folks the benefit of the doubt but I'm not going to rely on them with any great certainty.



I have to prove things to other folks all the time. It's part of my Job. Actually I try to prove everything I believe in. Like my ability to create a God. Of course there are thing I am unable to test. Like God for example. So I feel in these cases, I'm free to believe whatever I what as long as I don't pretend I have in certainty in that belief.

I'm not saying you can't believe in any God you want to. I'm just saying it you are unable to test that belief then you shouldn't do so with any certainty.



Sure, and what if we are all brains in a vat? Just being fed perceptions by a computer. This is the point. You can come up with any crazy scenario you want to if you're not going to try and validate it. You can believe it too. Just realize that if you are unable to test it, prove it through some means you really shouldn't feel certainty about it.



Sure, just stick him in some void somewhere not doing anything. Be kind of easy to believe in since I wouldn't have to expect anything from them.



I'm not saying you can't. You can believe anything you want. But if you can't test it, you really can't have in certainty in that belief.



Honestly that would take time. I don't have direct control over the subconscious mind. Not sure I want to invest the time into it.

I'm not sure what good it will do you though. Either I could honestly channel it. See what my subconscious mind it able to come up with, or consciously create a plausible explanation from whatever information I could gather.

Either way you wouldn't be able to verify it for yourself, so I don't know exactly what it would prove. Might be fun though, for my own benefit. I'll think about it.

You believe in love and gravity because you experience them? So believing is not just seeing and touching then?

You don't trust claims of other folks much? Do you grow/raise your own food? Do you inspect bridges before you drive over them? Did you build your own home? Do you inspect elevators before riding in them? Do you inspect tall buildings before going into them?

You like to prove everything you believe? You can't. There's no way. Even an engineer can't test everything they learned in college. They have to have faith.

If I can't test my belief then I should not believe with certainty? Thou shalt not test the Lord.

What if we are all brains in a vat being fed by a computer? That's pretty close.

Everything can't be tested. You're not going to be able to test God, ever. That's why humanity was given the idea of faith. It was not supposed to mean have faith in what religion is telling you, it was supposed to mean that at some point you are going to have to believe in God without being given absolute proof.

You can create a God in a void? How could you imagine a God who created nothing at all? Where did your ability to imagine this god come from if that god had not formed you?

I can believe anything I want? Of course I can. I already knew that.

If you can't test it then you can't be sure? I can. Perhaps you can't but that is you. Just as you allow me to believe what I want, I will allow you to believe what you want.

It would take time for your subconscious mind to come up with an explanation for dark energy and dark matter? Time is forever. Someone is going to come up with it.

You could channel it? So, you have channeling abilities then? And you think you are talking to your subconscious mind? WHAT? Somethings fishy in the woods. You're either not channeling, which is more like it, but you think you are. Is this supposed channeling happening during a meditation session? Or are drugs involved?

Either way I wouldn't be able to verify the source of dark energy/dark matter myself? But I could verify you.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The supernatural can't be validated? Sure it can, just not by primitives.

Not by primitives? I assume you're referring to humans? Since we only got humans around here, by default, it can't be validated.

The mistake I made was not accepting what I was taught as a child? That was one of the best things I ever did. It wasn't because I had no faith, I had too much faith. I knew that God was not angry and not jealous and did not kill people despite what I was being told.

So you went shopping for a God. Found a premade one you felt comfortable with. One you felt lived up to your expectations of a God.

Most folks seem to feel there is more authenticity when someone else has created a God for them. Ok, it's not up to me to decide what kind of God you need. You're happy with what you got, no need to change.

There was no conviction for my subconscious to work with? The subconscious, the soul, has very little to work with other than a curiosity or attraction to certain things.

It depends. It's not the same for everyone. The more ideas, the more beliefs you're exposed to, the more the subcon/soul has to work with.

For you faith is easy, you just let your subconscious take care of it? Ever have one of those moments when your mind flips back and forth between a good or a bad action? Like having an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other? One says "Cheat on your wife. She'll never know". The other says "Don't do it. It's wrong."

Sure, prayed on it and received a answer. It just "popped" in my head.

Experiencing tongues might make me a believer? Been to churches that did that. It didn't do anything for me. I want new ideas, advanced philosophy, not parlor tricks that only fool the primitives.

Yes, folks tend to find what they are looking for. Everyone assumes themselves above being fooled, until they've realized they've been fooled again.

If you had my subconscious experiences, you would defecate your pants. I'm not talking about dreams either, I'm talking about daytime, not expecting it, bam!

Yes, it can be pretty bad. To the point you'd prefer to avoid them. Some aren't so bad, some are kind of nice. However you start really looking for the truth. It can be pretty devastating to one's sense of self.

How did the celestial beings get their information on God? Heaven is God's central focus. Around heaven is paradise, the living place of beings who have ascended. Angels are formed in the dimensions outside of heaven so they do not know God. They only know what they have researched and what they have been told about God. The angels have their research in a book called "Liminal Cosmogony." The UB is only a part of that book.

And Scientology has a completely different religious lore. You want to believe in the UB, others want to believe in something else. It's all pretty arbitrary. A Scientologist has as much reason to believe in the lore of Scientology and you believing the the lore of the UB.

A shepherd can watch a flock and still write a book? I'm not writing a book. The book is already written but only a part of it is available here now. I'm looking for the one sheep who knows the rest of the book.

Apparently your soul does, so ask it. I'm certain it is quite capable of providing the answers you seek. They just may not be the same answers my soul provides to me.

The subconscious mind can create a reality for me to experience? The subconscious mind can't do very much. It can play around with the things it is given but that's about it.

Then you don't really understand. You don't realize yet how insignificant your conscious awareness is. I can't really teach you this through the forums, but I suggest to start doing some research on the subconscious mind.

This thing you think is the subconscious mind is really God and the universe is a hologram. It's a movie and God is the movie projector. We don't realize it because we are in the movie.

It's possible, it as likely as any other scenario you'd care to create or have someone else create for you. You are free to choose whatever belief that makes sense to you. Just best not to assume that belief is for everyone.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
You believe in love and gravity because you experience them? So believing is not just seeing and touching then?

Sure, you can believe whatever you want as long as you're not requiring any proof.

You don't trust claims of other folks much? Do you grow/raise your own food? Do you inspect bridges before you drive over them? Did you build your own home? Do you inspect elevators before riding in them? Do you inspect tall buildings before going into them?

Do I trust my food? Not really but I don't care. Whatever happens, happens. I'll be able to deal with it or I won't. I see other folks successfully driving over bridges. My home suck. The folks who built it didn't know what they were doing. Supposedly they pay off the inspector to approve track houses. Elevators, tall buildings, there is evidence of other folks making of these things which provides some confidence. Of course I don't fully trust them until I've made use of them myself.

You like to prove everything you believe? You can't. There's no way. Even an engineer can't test everything they learned in college. They have to have faith.

Ok, so? I didn't say I could test everything, I just said I'd like to.

If I can't test my belief then I should not believe with certainty? Thou shalt not test the Lord.

Kind of a convenient for believers. No one says you have to, just best to realize your lack of certainty in these regards.

What if we are all brains in a vat being fed by a computer? That's pretty close.

To what? Something we can't prove. If you like it, you're free to believe it. You can't be proven wrong.

Everything can't be tested. You're not going to be able to test God, ever. That's why humanity was given the idea of faith. It was not supposed to mean have faith in what religion is telling you, it was supposed to mean that at some point you are going to have to believe in God without being given absolute proof.

Or believe something else without absolute proof. You can have faith in your God, I can have faith in whatever I want.

You can create a God in a void? How could you imagine a God who created nothing at all? Where did your ability to imagine this god come from if that god had not formed you?

My concept of God need not conform to your concept of God. I can believe in multiple God. I can believe in a separate universe full of Gods. Your God seems to be a very limited concept. Of course allowing other folks to channell God for you limits your flexibility in that regard.

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I can believe anything I want? Of course I can. I already knew that.
Well glad we got that settled.

If you can't test it then you can't be sure? I can. Perhaps you can't but that is you. Just as you allow me to believe what I want, I will allow you to believe what you want.

Sure you can, and you should. What's difficult for most however is setting aside their own expectations of what God should be.

It would take time for your subconscious mind to come up with an explanation for dark energy and dark matter? Time is forever. Someone is going to come up with it.

I expect for folks to come up with lots of explanations for it. As long as they can't be tested, one is as good as another.

You could channel it? So, you have channeling abilities then? And you think you are talking to your subconscious mind? WHAT? Somethings fishy in the woods. You're either not channeling, which is more like it, but you think you are. Is this supposed channeling happening during a meditation session? Or are drugs involved?

What? You're not going to believe me but you're going to believe Wilford? Even less reason for me to proceed. :emojconfused:

Either way I wouldn't be able to verify the source of dark energy/dark matter myself? But I could verify you.

Really? How? Either I'll say something you agree with and say "wow!" or you'll disagree and assume I made it all up.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
At least you know the difference between GR and mass energy equivalence? At least you know that. That's all you need. Good luck with it. And I never said they were the same.

I dictate as though I am a dictator? Does a kindergarten teacher ask what the children want to learn today or do they dictate?

Everything is a red herring to some people.

I have nothing relevant? And you do? Give us some new philosophy. Just a little bit. I'll wait...

Ask the universe how important people are and the reply will be "uh!" No, there won't be a reply.

Why do I limit the action of the brain? I did not create humans so I did not limit the actions of the brain.

The brain has lower functions that operate simultaneously? Those are brain stem functions, not cortex functions.

I am not human? I am human, just not like you.

I am bastardizing Schrodinger's Cat? No, go back and re-read the dual slit experiment. The wave changed to a particle ONLY when the detector was turned on. When it's off the wave appears, when it's on the particle appears.

I seem to have much contusion over mass and energy? Right, much contusion.

What about gluons, bosons, electrons, protons, neutrons, prions? What about them?

How are they observed in a three dimensional universe? Not going to tell you.

Why ate you trying to belittle me with ignorance and irrelevance? Then difference between GR and mass energy is just one of the many things i know and if you take that hateful christian attitude we are done here
 
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Super Universe

Defender of God
Not by primitives? I assume you're referring to humans? Since we only got humans around here, by default, it can't be validated.



So you went shopping for a God. Found a premade one you felt comfortable with. One you felt lived up to your expectations of a God.

Most folks seem to feel there is more authenticity when someone else has created a God for them. Ok, it's not up to me to decide what kind of God you need. You're happy with what you got, no need to change.



It depends. It's not the same for everyone. The more ideas, the more beliefs you're exposed to, the more the subcon/soul has to work with.



Sure, prayed on it and received a answer. It just "popped" in my head.



Yes, folks tend to find what they are looking for. Everyone assumes themselves above being fooled, until they've realized they've been fooled again.



Yes, it can be pretty bad. To the point you'd prefer to avoid them. Some aren't so bad, some are kind of nice. However you start really looking for the truth. It can be pretty devastating to one's sense of self.



And Scientology has a completely different religious lore. You want to believe in the UB, others want to believe in something else. It's all pretty arbitrary. A Scientologist has as much reason to believe in the lore of Scientology and you believing the the lore of the UB.



Apparently your soul does, so ask it. I'm certain it is quite capable of providing the answers you seek. They just may not be the same answers my soul provides to me.



Then you don't really understand. You don't realize yet how insignificant your conscious awareness is. I can't really teach you this through the forums, but I suggest to start doing some research on the subconscious mind.



It's possible, it as likely as any other scenario you'd care to create or have someone else create for you. You are free to choose whatever belief that makes sense to you. Just best not to assume that belief is for everyone.

We only have humans around here? Are you sure about that? What evidence do you have?

I went shopping for a God? Didn't have to, I think I always knew, I just didn't know how or why so if it wasn't something I could explain it didn't matter to me whether it really did exist or not.

God lives up to my expectations? Not even close. My expectations would be that God would provide a safe learning environment for His children to learn. There is nothing safe about a primitive society with serial killers, molesters, sexual deviants, thieves, liars, selfish people, and control freaks.

People can't just create the God they want. They tried but nature interfered so they had to modify their ideas and add in an angry element to God.

I'm happy with what I got? I'm not happy about it. The strong prey on the weak. The smart prey on the uneducated. The selfish prey upon the gullible. The universe is the gladiator pit.

Subconscious is not the same for everyone? You're talking about consciousness, the mind, not subconcious.

Folks tend to find what they are looking for? Do they? Or do they end up accepting the closest thing they can find?

Looking for truth can be devastating to one's sense of self? Sometimes you have to tear down something to build it up correctly. Humans have inflated ego's when they've never been anywhere in the universe and haven't experienced even a fraction of it.

Scientology has different ideas? They do. One of the good things about the Urantia Book is that no one has tried to make it into a religion, yet. Hopefully no one ever will.

Apparently my soul knows the book? It doesn't know the book, it has access to the Akashic Record but access is not given just because the human mind wants to know something.

I don't realize how insignificant my concious awareness is? I do understand. It's very immature compared to what it will be.

You suggest that I start doing some research on the subconscious mind? I don't have to. Do you ever go back to first grade and sit in to freshen up?

It's possible that the universe is really a hologram? Ever read up on the double slit experiment?
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Why ate you trying to belittle me with ignorance and irrelevance? Then difference between GR and mass energy is just one of the many things i know and if you take that hateful christian attitude we are done here

Why am I trying to belittle you? I never did. All humans are primitive, not just you.

The difference between GR and mass energy is just one of the many things you know? I'm sure that's true but I never said they were the same thing and you keep trying to say I did.

If I take a hateful Christian attitude we are done? You don't hate an angry mouse for being an angry mouse.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Why am I trying to belittle you? I never did. All humans are primitive, not just you.

The difference between GR and mass energy is just one of the many things you know? I'm sure that's true but I never said they were the same thing and you keep trying to say I did.

If I take a hateful Christian attitude we are done? You don't hate an angry mouse for being an angry mouse.

You said, That's all you need. Good luck with it. Your opinion of humans is not my problem. Your ignorance of the human race is also not my problem.

One topic was mass energy, you confided it with GR. End of story

And there you go again with straw man arguments. What has a mouse tondo with you hatred of anyone not you
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
You said, That's all you need. Good luck with it. Your opinion of humans is not my problem. Your ignorance of the human race is also not my problem.

One topic was mass energy, you confided it with GR. End of story

And there you go again with straw man arguments. What has a mouse tondo with you hatred of anyone not you

I said GR is all you need, good luck with it? You can use it for everything, relationships, how to raise the kids, how to fix the car, it's all knowing.

My opinion of humans is not your problem? It seems to be.

My ignorance of the human race is also not your problem? Anything to make you feel better about yourself.

One line said that time was space while another line says E=MC2? One line is one idea. A different line is another idea.

There I go with straw man arguments and red herring arguments? Does your atheist abacus tell you what arguments are what?

You're not just an angry little mouse. You're a very angry little mouse. No matter what you do you can't stop faith in anyone except yourself.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I said GR is all you need, good luck with it? You can use it for everything, relationships, how to raise the kids, how to fix the car, it's all knowing.

My opinion of humans is not your problem? It seems to be.

My ignorance of the human race is also not your problem? Anything to make you feel better about yourself.

One line said that time was space while another line says E=MC2? One line is one idea. A different line is another idea.

There I go with straw man arguments and red herring arguments? Does your atheist abacus tell you what arguments are what?

You're not just an angry little mouse. You're a very angry little mouse. No matter what you do you can't stop faith in anyone except yourself.

Total bull in an vane attempt to cover your ignorance of GR.

You do seem to have a big ego don't you? Doesn't wash with me, i just see it as self important self deluding

Nope, you implied them as related, you have since been educated and don't have the courage to admit it.

And another? Atheist Abacus? Who teaches you this rubbish or is it specially formulated to insult that which you don't understand

You have no idea do you? Angry? Me? You really are off the wall there. The last time i got angry was in 1996 when good christians blew off my aunts arm. You ate not even worth such emotion. Damn you cant even have a decent debate without burying it on straw men and irrelevance. Whoever told you to insult with abaci, ask them about sticking to the subject.

Have no intention of stopping anyone's faith, that faith is up to them. I can however provide food for thought, whether you nourish yourself is up to you
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
Total bull in an vane attempt to cover your ignorance of GR.

You do seem to have a big ego don't you? Doesn't wash with me, i just see it as self important self deluding

Nope, you implied them as related, you have since been educated and don't have the courage to admit it.

And another? Atheist Abacus? Who teaches you this rubbish or is it specially formulated to insult that which you don't understand

You have no idea do you? Angry? Me? You really are off the wall there. The last time i got angry was in 1996 when good christians blew off my aunts arm. You ate not even worth such emotion. Damn you cant even have a decent debate without burying it on straw men and irrelevance. Whoever told you to insult with abaci, ask them about sticking to the subject.

Have no intention of stopping anyone's faith, that faith is up to them. I can however provide food for thought, whether you nourish yourself is up to you

I'm ignorant about GR? Most people are. I never said E=MC2 was GR.

I have a big ego? It's not nearly as inflated as yours.

I implied GR was related to mass/energy? I didn't but you have to invent things in order to justify your intense anger at believers. Everything has to be our fault. Nothing is your fault.

Who teaches me rubbish? Angry atheists who didn't get the toy they wanted one Christmas so they are going to be upset about it the rest of their lives and nothing anyone says will change it.

The last time you were angry was in 1996 when good christians blew off your aunt's arms? To you those were good christians, huh?

I can't even have a debate without burying it in straw man and irrelevance? And your aunt's story is relevant, how? I was nowhere near the hills of West Virginia in 1996.

Whoever told me to ask about the atheists abacus, I should tell them to stick to the subject? Why? What would be the point? I can't change what happened. Sometimes people need an excuse for why their lives are messed up. Everything always has to be someone else's fault.

You have no intention of stopping anyone's faith? So you're just blaming them for what some other people did.

You can provide food for thought? Okay then, provide the world with some great new philosophy, some new idea. I can't wait.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I'm ignorant about GR? Most people are. I never said E=MC2 was GR.

I have a big ego? It's not nearly as inflated as yours.

I implied GR was related to mass/energy? I didn't but you have to invent things in order to justify your intense anger at believers. Everything has to be our fault. Nothing is your fault.

Who teaches me rubbish? Angry atheists who didn't get the toy they wanted one Christmas so they are going to be upset about it the rest of their lives and nothing anyone says will change it.

The last time you were angry was in 1996 when good christians blew off your aunt's arms? To you those were good christians, huh?

I can't even have a debate without burying it in straw man and irrelevance? And your aunt's story is relevant, how? I was nowhere near the hills of West Virginia in 1996.

Whoever told me to ask about the atheists abacus, I should tell them to stick to the subject? Why? What would be the point? I can't change what happened. Sometimes people need an excuse for why their lives are messed up. Everything always has to be someone else's fault.

You have no intention of stopping anyone's faith? So you're just blaming them for what some other people did.

You can provide food for thought? Okay then, provide the world with some great new philosophy, some new idea. I can't wait.


The topic was mass energy to which you replied "Space is time? There was no scientific principle for space being time. Even today that is an advanced concept that scientists have trouble with.". What has space time to do with the topic. You were either confusing or confused... Which?

Im not the one spouting the claimed thoughts of god, which incidentally totally agree with your own thoughts.

And now we have ad hom, methinks the the angry one is you. Btw why do you keep associating atheism with christmas?

They were christian, and its not up to you to decide who is and who isn't a good christian

The story was relevant because you accused me of anger, i put your ignorance in context. Therefore very relevant

So now you are blaming me because you cant debate a subject? I smell projection.

Nope im discussing it, sorry if you don't like fact.

Why are you so hung up on philosophy, you can't understand a topic so you scream for philosophy.
 
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