KJV "OT" quoters: a recommendation ...

[Jayhawker Soule]

Nope, there is a reason Christians are not Jewish. This is one of them.

I have no clue what this is suppose to mean. Do you?

 

[DavidFirth]

What is the source of the modern Tanakh. I though it relied on the greek too at least in part.

You would need to ask someone else. All I know is that if it differs from the Church's version it's wrong.

 

[metis]

The Protestants pretty much made every Christian a prophet vis the Holy Spirit, as schizophrenic as that may seem to you. (me too honestly)

The point I was trying to make is that when one speaks of absolute certainty when it comes to interpretation, they are basically sounding as if they're a prophet.

I wonder, do Jews experience this personal communication with God through the HS? Or are they left to rely on their own "human" understanding of the Tanakh

More the latter. One of the commonly heard sayings is "if an interpretation defies reason, go with reason and look for alternative interpretations". Of course what's "reason" to one person may not at all be reasonable to another.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

You would need to ask someone else. All I know is that if it differs from the Church's version it's wrong.

Which churches version?

 

[Enoch07]

I have no clue what this is suppose to mean. Do you?

It's quite easy.

Christians

Are

Not

Jewish

So why would we use Jewish interpretations?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's quite easy.

Christians

Are

Not

Jewish

So why would we use Jewish interpretations?

Intellectual honesty.

 

[Enoch07]

Intellectual honesty.

Yeah you could use some of it.

Christianity and the Jewish faith are completely separate. Or else there would be no need to distinguish.

 

[Brickjectivity]

So why would we use Jewish interpretations?

I think that I do take their interpretations into consideration, and it is the correct thing to do if we are going to say that we are Bible-based. Consider this couple verses in Romans about it: "What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God." (Romans 3:1-2) This also bears out historically as they have kept the written words very carefully, so I don't see why any Christian would want to evade Jewish interpretations.

 

[Father]

For example?

the book is 4000 years old. the odds of it not being changed at some point if very slim.

 

[Father]

I think that I do take their interpretations into consideration, and it is the correct thing to do if we are going to say that we are Bible-based. Consider this couple verses in Romans about it: "What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God." (Romans 3:1-2) This also bears out historically as they have kept the written words very carefully, so I don't see why any Christian would want to evade Jewish interpretations.

yeah, know im not of an Abrahamic faith. but I put Creedence in that whole "Gods chosen people" I mean most Nobel prize winners great scientists and head bankers are Jewish. they seem to be winning the game quite a bit. if there is an Abrahamic God I would give them my word too.

 

[Nakosis]

The point I was trying to make is that when one speaks of absolute certainty when it comes to interpretation, they are basically sounding as if they're a prophet.

It's easy to start doing that. However if you believe in the Holy Spirit folks feel certainty in that guidance.

More the latter. One of the commonly heard sayings is "if an interpretation defies reason, go with reason and look for alternative interpretations". Of course what's "reason" to one person may not at all be reasonable to another.

Most Christians I've discussed these things with, it's more the former. In my experience, research, discussions, there's very little cross-over between Jewish and Christian theology.

So there seems very little point in Judaism making this argument about Christianity.

 

[Nakosis]

yeah, know im not of an Abrahamic faith. but I put Creedence in that whole "Gods chosen people" I mean most Nobel prize winners great scientists and head bankers are Jewish. they seem to be winning the game quite a bit. if there is an Abrahamic God I would give them my word too.

Many of whom are atheist. What does that tell you?

 

[shunyadragon]

Too many too's, and Tanakhs are expensive. They can cost 100's of dollars. Bible's are practically free of charge. People give them away.

They are available on line free:

The Tanakh [Full Text]

 

[Father]

Many of whom are atheist. What does that tell you?

that its the blood? maybe i should become a vampire and only drink jewish blood

 

[rosends]

They are available on line free:

The Tanakh [Full Text]

That site uses the 1917 JPS version which relies heavily on the KJV.

If one wants a full English version online, one could use the Sefaria.org version, or the chabad.org site which has the Judaica Press version.

 

[Brickjectivity]

yeah, know im not of an Abrahamic faith. but I put Creedence in that whole "Gods chosen people" I mean most Nobel prize winners great scientists and head bankers are Jewish. they seem to be winning the game quite a bit. if there is an Abrahamic God I would give them my word too.

"God's chosen people" is a goal for Jews rather than a claim, from what I am told. Its not a good reason for using Jewish scriptures unless you're a Christian. The explanation would be long, but Christian belief that Jews are blessed relates to believing Elijah has come in a specifically Christian non literal way. For Jews its supposed to be a long term goal (I guess) to achieve a crown of glory, however to the Christian they are the preservers of scripture for everyone's sakes. What complicates this a tad is that some Christians consider themselves to be Jews, for example messianic Christians and Roman Catholic priests. I'm not precisely sure about the full history of that situation, but going by that quote from Romans the circumcised are looked at like...a computer database of scripture. No doubt at the time of Roman's writing they were the go-to people for scripture questions.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

the book is 4000 years old. the odds of it not being changed at some point if very slim.

No doubt, but that is not the question here.

 

[oldbadger]

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KJV "OT" quoters: a recommendation ...

Errr...... ok...... go on....

actually, two:

Oh great one..... Old-B listeneth to thy words....
Isaiah {29:4} And thou shalt be brought down, [and] shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust,

1. Don't

Why?..... does it irritate you?
Deuteronomy {4:44} And this is the law which the Jayhawker set before the children of RF....

If you're too too cheap, too lazy, and or too disinterested to acquire a decent Tanakh, at least consult a reasonably good translation from a Jewish source, e.g., Sefaria

Deuteronomy {9:4} Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee............

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Yeah you could use some of it.

Christianity and the Jewish faith are completely separate. Or else there would be no need to distinguish.

That statement is stupid on the face of it but, more to the point, it is irrelevant.

 

[Sanzbir]

But we were referring to New Testament writings which were for all practical purposes non-existent to the Apostles. Being Jews of course they had as much access to Hebraic writings as the next guy. But even that was limited as to what was available out of Temple.

Yes, as I said it appears he was, contrary to my initial guess.