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What would Jesus do, a question for Republican's

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Medical care in the US averages $10,000/year per person, many countries with better health care provided free by the government average only about $5,000/year per person. America has the most expensive care and one of the worse health care outcomes of western countries, we're not getting our money's worth, but the insurance companies are making bank.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
The problem is poverty. If we help them out of poverty they no longer need help, with medical cost. They will be able to afford insurance like everyone else. It is a long term solution.
And exactly how do you suggest this should be done, and please be as specific as possible.

While you're at that, let me just mention that we have a free-market economy that automatically will have some unemployment no matter what we do, so how do you suggest these people to pay for the medical care they may need?
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't mind a temporary handout for someone's changed circumstances. However, the Democrats want the handouts to be permanent. They believe that certain peoples are unable to ever provide for themselves.
And you don't think that some are unable to fend for themselves?

And you really believe that the Dems "want handouts to be permanent"? Could you supply us some links for this?
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
And exactly how do you suggest this should be done, and please be as specific as possible.

While you're at that, let me just mention that we have a free-market economy that automatically will have some unemployment no matter what we do, so how do you suggest these people to pay for the medical care they may need?

Small amount of poverty and unemployment will always be an issue. No system is perfect. I have a few ideas for tackling the problem but I am not interested in debating them. If you got ideas feel free to shoot.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
you mean distributing fishing poles in the Ghetto????
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
you mean distributing fishing poles in the Ghetto????

No, actual programs. One idea I am rolling around my head is establishing youth trade schools. Teaching them pragmatic skills they can actually use to provide for themselves. It is easier sais than done, and it is just a general idea atm. The details need to be hammered out.

Teaching them to be activist does nothing to improve their current situation, which is the liberal fix atm. Which why we have kids with 4 or 6 year degrees flipping burgers. ;)
 

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
So do you completely ignore the Social Justice message of Jesus, and would rather the poor suffer and die in poverty with no health care, that's what the message of the right wing is today, the most un Christian values party in history.. Republicans today, especially the Tea party, are no more Christian that the Stalinists in the USSR, I suggest you focus your thoughts on how Jesus treated the poor, disabled and sick and contrast that with the Republican party, which cares way more about unborn infants than living people.

It's no surprise really. They think Jesus is white, so obfuscating the message of the man is no more different than changing his racial identity. All for the continuing falsity that 'Murica is great.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
So do you completely ignore the Social Justice message of Jesus, and would rather the poor suffer and die in poverty with no health care, that's what the message of the right wing is today, the most un Christian values party in history.. Republicans today, especially the Tea party, are no more Christian that the Stalinists in the USSR, I suggest you focus your thoughts on how Jesus treated the poor, disabled and sick and contrast that with the Republican party, which cares way more about unborn infants than living people.

Good points.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Those are not quotes from the bIble, how far will you go to try to prove Jesus was a bigot.

You are unaware that those three positions are all in the NT?

Here's some help:

1 Tim 5:8 Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Romans 15:26 For Macedonia and Achaia were pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the Lord's people in Jerusalem.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I have a few ideas for tackling the problem but I am not interested in debating them. If you got ideas feel free to shoot.
My question was hardly a difficult one to deal with, and I'm certainly not looking for an essay.

Again, the question is what should be done, iyo, with those who do not have insurance? Just let them suffer? die? Do you think Jesus would advocate just ignoring them and saying all we gotta do is to "grow the economy"? How is that in any way compatible with what is said in the Sermon On the Mount or the Parable of the Sheep & Goats, for just two examples?

Unemployment and underemployment was also common in Jesus' time, and I don't see anywhere where he states or implies that they only solution is to "grow the economy".
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
So do you completely ignore the Social Justice message of Jesus, and would rather the poor suffer and die in poverty with no health care, that's what the message of the right wing is today, the most un Christian values party in history.. Republicans today, especially the Tea party, are no more Christian that the Stalinists in the USSR, I suggest you focus your thoughts on how Jesus treated the poor, disabled and sick and contrast that with the Republican party, which cares way more about unborn infants than living people.


Do you think democrates are any different?

democrates Support the Abominations of God, what ever God is against Democrates are for it

At lease the platform of the Republican Party trys to at lease abide by what God has established.

Where as democrates stand against God and supports the Abominations of God.

The meaning of Abomination means =
Extreme hatred.
God tells in his word what those abominations are.
You can go from the book of Genesis to Revelation and find those Abominations.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
We have to do something over here. Health care costs are terrible and getting worse. No one should go bankrupt simply for daring to get sick. Our system here stinks. We give billions of dollars each year in aid to other countries that provide health care to their people yet dont provide for our own. something wrong with this picture.


Yeah there's something wrong with that picture.
For 8 years under Obama and the democratic party, has given to Illegal immigrants and to other countries, all the while people here in our own Country suffer, look at the black communitys are still in proverty.
But yet the democrates will go to these black communitys asking them for their votes and get nothing in return for their votes, but the shaft.

I know what it's like being a Democrate, As I was a strong democrate supporter for 36 years.
until I saw what the Democratic party was standing for and who they supported.
Which goes against the very word of God
And the people of our country.
 
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Akivah

Well-Known Member
The subsidies are not permanent for any person. Once your income goes above a certain level the subsidies stop. The programs needs to be permanent, because there will always be new people to fall into poverty even if some manage to get out. You argument is that the poor are lazy and will remain poor as long as they get free healthcare.

No. My argument is that paying people for not working, is not an effective incentive to get them to resume working.
 

soulsurvivor

Active Member
Premium Member
No. My argument is that paying people for not working, is not an effective incentive to get them to resume working.
Nobody is paying any poor person anything. They just get medical treatment, the doctor/hospitals are the ones getting paid. Most of the people who get Obamacare subsidies are already working - their income is too low to be able to afford the full premiums.

If you are saying giving hungry people food or giving sick people treatment for free is not a good idea and it is much better to keep them hungry or keep them sick, in order to give them an incentive to find work, then I guess you can explain your philosophy to the Christ when he returns. I am sure the Christ will agree with you and reward you well for your great concern for the poor to provide them incentives to work harder.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
So do you completely ignore the Social Justice message of Jesus, and would rather the poor suffer and die in poverty with no health care, that's what the message of the right wing is today, the most un Christian values party in history.. Republicans today, especially the Tea party, are no more Christian that the Stalinists in the USSR, I suggest you focus your thoughts on how Jesus treated the poor, disabled and sick and contrast that with the Republican party, which cares way more about unborn infants than living people.

I believe you ae saying we should help the poor and murder unborn children. So in other words you think Jesus when he says love your neighbor meant you should murder him because loving the poor is more important.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Jesus provided free health care, the money changers did diddly squat for health care, you're point is utterly ridiculous. The typical Republican response is; we don't owe any one anything, but we call ourselves Christian, we're just not interested in following Jesus' example.

I believe you will find that Jesus did not provide universal health care.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I will ask you one more time so you can dodge the question again: What did Jesus say about the poor when he was getting his hair done with that (evidently) very expensive oil?

I believe He said you will always be able to help the poor and I believe we support that in both parties. Howeve I worked for OEO (the Office of Economic Opportunity) which was suposed to end poverty. It has helped a lot of people but it has not ended poverty or even diminished it.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Does not matter. I am not willing to give up myfreedom to the government for them to decide, and neither is the majority of Americans. If we can figure out a way to do it without giving up the freedom, sure, but thats just not possible becauae currently we cant afford it.
I live in Canada. I decided when my father's life support would be cut off. I decided when my grandmother's life support would be cut off. The government had absolutely nothing to do with the decision. None of us had to give up any freedoms.

Remember Terri Schiavo? That happened in the US.
Terri Schiavo case - Wikipedia
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Do you think democrates are any different?

democrates Support the Abominations of God, what ever God is against Democrates are for it

At lease the platform of the Republican Party trys to at lease abide by what God has established.

Where as democrates stand against God and supports the Abominations of God.

The meaning of Abomination means =
Extreme hatred.
God tells in his word what those abominations are.
You can go from the book of Genesis to Revelation and find those Abominations.
Most Democrats in Congress identify as Christians. Same goes for Republicans.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
I live in Canada. I decided when my father's life support would be cut off. I decided when my grandmother's life support would be cut off. The government had absolutely nothing to do with the decision. None of us had to give up any freedoms.

Remember Terri Schiavo? That happened in the US.
Terri Schiavo case - Wikipedia

Yeah and that was the parents vs the husband fighting over who had the rights to continue life support, and money won from a medical malpractice lawsuit. Not the parents/husband vs the state and the right to continue or discontinue life support. It's a completely different issue in because of the added complexity. It's not the same as parents getting denied by the state to seek treament.
 
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