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Did Jesus Fulfill All The Messianic Prophecies?

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If we descend from the Incestuous relations of Ruddy Adam, whom were wiped out, thus second generation of Incestuous offspring of Noah then how can you explain Human diversity

Adam had relations with wife Eve as per Genesis 2:24.
Noah has relations with Mrs. Noah.
Noah and Mrs. Noah had 3 sons and we descend from one of their 3 sons.
So, each of us is from one of Noah's 3 sons we get human diversity.
In other words, according to Scripture, we can trace our family tree back to one of Mr. and Mrs. Noah's sons.
Here is something that probably will seem odd to you, but I believe that under Jesus 1,000-year rule over Earth that those Not called to heaven will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth.
So, we can ' meet and greet ' our relatives all the way back to one of Noah's sons.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Yes, the 'heart can lie' according to Jeremiah 17:9 because Scripture teaches one's heart is treacherous.
One's heart can prompt a person to do something, then after a person listens to that prompting then afterwards one's heart gives all the reasons why one should Not have done what he did in the first place.
That means our imperfect ' figurative ' heart is a traitor inside of us. Note Jesus words at Matthew 15:19.
I suppose that is why we hear the advice given to Not let your heart rule your head.
 

Magus

Active Member
Adam had relations with wife Eve as per Genesis 2:24.
Noah has relations with Mrs. Noah.
Noah and Mrs. Noah had 3 sons and we descend from one of their 3 sons.
So, each of us is from one of Noah's 3 sons we get human diversity.
In other words, according to Scripture, we can trace our family tree back to one of Mr. and Mrs. Noah's sons.
Here is something that probably will seem odd to you, but I believe that under Jesus 1,000-year rule over Earth that those Not called to heaven will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection back to life on Earth.
So, we can ' meet and greet ' our relatives all the way back to one of Noah's sons.

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Kuzcotopia

If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
The prophecies Jesus is supposed to have fulfilled, which are in the Hebrew scriptures, which Christians use to prove him (or try). These scriptures don't mention anything like a second coming, or the messiah being a god, or a resurrection of the messiah, or vicarious atonement via the messiah or any of these things.

I'm certain they're more interested in the gospels and the various texts that come after them to prove those points. . . They're just going to claim that the doctrine changed.

Question is, why are those texts not valid demonstrations of God's will? Why are your's still inviolate?

Call me an optimist, but there have to be some common religious/literary standard available to determine which set of books represent the "will of God." It's possible that such agreed upon standards would tilt the conversation in favors of the texts you like, and against the texts they like?

Otherwise, I'm not sure what . . . Eh, you know what? I'm an atheist.

What dog do I have in the fight to participate in the creation of a religious interpretive strategy to asses the validity of textual evidence between two sets of clearly contradictory canon written forever ago by Bronze/Iron age men?

Meh, I made a mistake. Carry on ya'll. I'm out.
 

Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims and a lot of other religions have "endured" too. That obviously isn't an argument that Jews are special in some way.
I did not say they were special. I said they were blessed. I also did not say those others were not special or that they were not blessed.
State that inductive argument.
Restating the same argument would be redundant. Its not Mathematical but faith based although inductive.
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
The prophecies Jesus is supposed to have fulfilled, which are in the Hebrew scriptures, which Christians use to prove him (or try). These scriptures don't mention anything like a second coming, or the messiah being a god, or a resurrection of the messiah, or vicarious atonement via the messiah or any of these things.

Which scriptures are you referring to?
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
He was supposed to do that during Part One.
In my opinion:

Was Yeshua really meant to do everything the first time? The only word 'Messiah' specific prophetic texts in the Bible both say 'he'd be cut off' (Daniel 9:26 & Isaiah 52:14 -> Isaiah 53).
He doesn't get to come back and try a second time.
First time caused the Destruction of the 2nd temple, Diaspora, and the Curse of Moses (Leviticus 26, Deuteronomy 28) because of ignoring the time of visitation (Luke 19:41-44).

Messianic prophecies states a cleansing of the earth first (Isaiah 24, Isaiah 34); the whole world is to be washed with fire before the return, in my understanding of Biblical texts. :innocent:
 
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Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
It was a worthless invitation to distort and proselytize.
I wasn't actually intending to do so. A member on another thread requested I start this one. I told him that the debate had been done to death and I am just not massively interested in debating it much more. If it came across as proselytising I never meant to.
 

soulsurvivor

Active Member
Premium Member
"What Will the Mashiach Do?

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15)."

"Olam Ha-Ba will be characterized by the peaceful co-existence of all people (Isaiah 2:4). Hatred, intolerance and war will cease to exist. Some authorities suggest that the laws of nature will change, so that predatory beasts will no longer seek prey and agriculture will bring forth supernatural abundance (Isaiah 11:6-11:9). Others, however, say that these statements are merely an allegory for peace and prosperity."

Judaism 101: Mashiach: The Messiah
I believe there are supposed to be two Messiahs: Mashiach ben Yosef and Mashiach ben David.

Jesus was the first one, the second one is yet to come and he will fulfill the prophecy of world-wide peace and prosperity with no hatred, intolerance or war.

But that does not mean that Jesus was not a real Messiah. I am afraid many Jews failed to recognize him. Perhaps many will fail to recognize Mashiach ben David too when he comes.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
No, but try to convince me he did anyway.
The only candidate for Messiah that I can think of would be Yohanan / John Hurkanos, who was High Priest and thus, I take it, anointed, and at least restored (well, took advantage of the Seleucids' collapse to restore) the independence of Judea, and went on to conquer more neighboring boroughs than he lost.

Not bad, though not really the stuff of legend, and the Romans had unpicked it in less than half a century. Nor am I aware that anyone thought him messianic at the time.

But Joseph's kid? Not even anointed in any proper sense? AND consenting to Roman taxation AND executed as a common criminal? That's not how messiahs do it.
 
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