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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
This was a revelation......whales can change climate.


Not accidental methinks.

More silly foolishness from Fundamentalist Creationist Agenda.

In nature nothing is accidental. Natural Law determines the outcome of all cause and effect relationships. The variation in the outcomes is described by fractal math, and is not causal as to their outcome.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
If the cricket thing is true, has anyone be able to repeat such results?

Repeatable or not the harmonies of music exist in nature and humans listened to those have composed the music over the millennia, including natural harmonies innate in human.
 
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Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
More silly foolishness from Fundamentalist Creationist Agenda.

In nature nothing is accidental. Natural Law determines the outcome of all cause and effect relationships. The variation in the outcomes is described by fractal math, and is not causal as to their outcome.

Cause and effect.....we differ as to the cause. Laws don't make themselves.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Repeatable or not the harmonies of music exist in nature and humans listened to those have composed the music over the millennia, including natural harmonies innate in human.

Yep, everything in nature is just an endless series of very fortunate accidents.....nothing is ever planned or demonstrates intelligent design. I think we understand your position. Perhaps a white stick might help.....? :rolleyes:
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Cause and effect.....we differ as to the cause. Laws don't make themselves.

Of course. Natural Laws do not cause themselves, but there is no objective evidence that they have not always existed.

We actually do not differ as to the ultimate cause, because I am a Theist and a scientist. The problem is with your argument of assertions without evidence, and the misuse of language relating to science, to justify your fundamentalist agenda. The arguments for Intelligent Design have no basis in science. The fundamentalist arguments for a literal Biblical Creation are worse and abhorrently dishonest.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Yep, everything in nature is just an endless series of very fortunate accidents.....nothing is ever planned or demonstrates intelligent design. I think we understand your position. Perhaps a white stick might help.....? :rolleyes:

You keep the dark glasses, white stick and seeing eye dog, until you get a decent education in science.

Nope, accidents by definition do not occur in nature. You not only need a science education, but also a basic elementary English education on the proper use of words.

True, there is no objective evidence that the nature of our physical existence was planned, nor demonstrates the necessity of intelligent design.

What is true is the vocal and sound harmonies are common throughout life, and the evidence is humans in the past listened to those harmonies, and composed our music, no problem.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Natural Laws do not cause themselves, but there is no objective evidence that they have not always existed.

There is no evidence that the universe has always existed....or that matter has always existed. What use are laws if there is nothing to apply them to?

We actually do not differ as to the ultimate cause, because I am a Theist and a scientist.

Well I believe that you are incorrect on both counts. I disagree with both your theism and your science.

The problem is with your argument of assertions without evidence, and the misuse of language relating to science, to justify your fundamentalist agenda.

"Misuse of language"?...now that is rich. Everything I have ever read that purports to argue for macro-evolution is implied or suggested, yet it is presented as established fact.....nice use of misleading language, propping up your own agenda.

The fundamentalist arguments for a literal Biblical Creation are worse and abhorrently dishonest.

Then you have no idea what the arguments are. I am not a YEC....I believe in an old earth with slow and progressive acts of creation. This agrees with science's "evidence", just interpreted differently. Intelligent Design is seen everywhere in nature. You'd have to be blind to deny it.

You not only need a science education, but also a basic elementary English education on the proper use of words.

How's the altitude up there....? :rolleyes: Do you guys have to earn degrees in arrogance, or what?

True, there is no objective evidence that the nature of our physical existence was planned, nor demonstrates the necessity of intelligent design.

Hogwash. You choose not to see it because you have a scientific agenda to uphold. If he is not the Creator, then I have to wonder what use your god is to you?

What is true is the vocal and sound harmonies are common throughout life, and the evidence is humans in the past listened to those harmonies, and composed our music, no problem.

Yep, music just invents itself. Like everything else in evolution's teachings. I don't buy any of it.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
There is no evidence that the universe has always existed....or that matter has always existed. What use are laws if there is nothing to apply them to?

Your arguing the fallacy 'arguing from ignorance' to support a religious agenda not based on science. There is no evidence supported by cosmologists and other scientists that our physical existence and the Natural Laws have a beginning

Well I believe that you are incorrect on both counts. I disagree with both your theism and your science.

I believe only is an argument for your fundamentalist belief, which includes the OEC belief with a Biblical flood, and does not support an argument based on the evidence.

"Misuse of language"?...now that is rich. Everything I have ever read that purports to argue for macro-evolution is implied or suggested, yet it is presented as established fact.....nice use of misleading language, propping up your own agenda.

No, evolution is established as the only explanation based on the objective evidence. There is no known scientific boundary between what is erroneously called micro evolution and macro evolution.

Your direct misuse of English is your use of 'accident,' check the dictionary and improve your English.

Then you have no idea what the arguments are. I am not a YEC....I believe in an old earth with slow and progressive acts of creation. This agrees with science's "evidence", just interpreted differently. Intelligent Design is seen everywhere in nature. You'd have to be blind to deny it.

Believing in an OEC view, and rejecting evolution remains a fundamentalist approach that believes in the Biblical Flood, for which there is absolutely no physical evidence beyond local, river valley, glacial flooding and related coastal flooding, which have documented natural causes and objective evidence of their limited extent.

How's the altitude up there....? :rolleyes: Do you guys have to earn degrees in arrogance, or what?

Obfuscating rhetoric is not a coherent response with evidence. Still waiting . . .

. . . there is no objective evidence that the nature of our physical existence was planned, nor demonstrates the necessity of intelligent design.

Hogwash. You choose not to see it because you have a scientific agenda to uphold. If he is not the Creator, then I have to wonder what use your god is to you?

'Not see it?!?!?!' You nor any other advocate of either the YEC nor OEC has come forward with any objective verifiable evidence to see, still waiting . . .

Yep, music just invents itself. Like everything else in evolution's teachings. I don't buy any of it.

You 'do not buy it,' because you reject the science. No music does not invent itself, because the harmonies of music simply exist throughout nature and life without a miraculous explanation.[/quote]
 

siti

Well-Known Member
This was a revelation......whales can change climate.

If you liked that, then perhaps you should watch this.

How to fight desertification and reverse climate change
That the world runs on recycled poo is hardly a revelation - after all, the vast majority of life on earth is entirely dependent on the plant and bacterial poo we call oxygen being recycled back into the atmosphere - most everything we consume has been the poo of another creature at some point. But I thought the whale poo thing and the cow poo thing were kind of interesting in the details. I don't really know too much about it, but I'm guessing the whale-krill-phytoplankton food chain might be one of the simplest such systems in existence and in that respect its an interesting one to study. More whales = more whale poo = more nutrients for phytoplankton = more krill = more whales...and so on. A side product, of course, is more phytoplankton = more photosynthesis = more sequestration of carbon...etc. And figuring out how to reverse desertification by producing more food in a manner that is more closely aligned with the evolutionary biology of the animals we use for food (i.e. have them as massive herds of wandering herbivores) seems like a really sensible approach. I reckon we still probably need to have a lot more trees (natural and/or artificial) though - and try our best not to offset the ecological gains we might make by these measures by profligate use of the resources at our disposal (i.e. we still need to balance our way of life with natural cycles that have sustained life on earth for 3.8 billion years rather than trying to conquer them).

Moving on from pooping parties to party pooping...

The cricket thing is obviously utter rubbish. In any case, if God wanted us all to be shepherds he could have sent the real heavenly chorus (he did that once, you may recall) rather than waiting for us to develop the technology to slow down and rearrange the discordant chirping of creepy crawlies - don't you think?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
But if was a legitimate claim, then others should be able to reproduce the same results.

Here's another person who slowed down the sound of crickets supposedly to prove that the original was a hoax.....it still sounds amazing to me! :shrug:

 
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