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spirit of antichrist is in the world today

savagewind

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Yes all 34,000 teach they are lead by Holy spirit--Is Gods holy spirit that confused=NO--Twistings of men that never get corrected made all the confusion. Error filled trinity translations have confused them as well.
1Cor 1:10-- unity of thought( all matters of Gods truth) no division= one single religion has Jesus.
Through time the Jehovah's Witnesses are not united in thought. That is 100% fact.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
We hold no beliefs in common
Oh, let's see!
The Bible in common.
Creation in common.
The ten commandments in common.
Meeting together in common.
Good works in common.
Obedience to God in common.
Belief in the judgment in common.
Confessing sins in common.
Bring up the children to believe in God in common.
Being modest in common.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
Calling Jesus the antichrist---smoke another one. Even the trinity scholars who don't know jack, know the white horse in revelation= righteous war--you call Jesus the antichrist in your darkness.
How do you know that the white horse doesn't picture God's words that people hear?
 

savagewind

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We know that Judas knew righteousness but didn't follow through.
We know that some faithful men have deviated from doing God's will to do what they thought best.

Revelation 6:2

The horse pictures the commands of God to do. The rider is doing things his own way.

But, to do the will of God every step must be for the perfect will of God to do.
 

djhwoodwerks

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Do you really believe that it is God's will for the people to trust that something which is not true is true?

Very good question savagewind!

I'd like to rephrase it, if I could,

Witnesses, do you believe it is God's will for you to accept everything the slave says, knowing (God) a teaching is wrong, until He/God deems the "proper time" for you to be fed the right food?
 

savagewind

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Calling Jesus the antichrist---smoke another one. Even the trinity scholars who don't know jack, know the white horse in revelation= righteous war--you call Jesus the antichrist in your darkness.
The Bible does not say what the white horse means. To be teaching your thoughts on what the white horse means is to go beyond the things that are written. 1 Corinthians 4:6 To go beyond what is written is arrogance against God's Word.
James 4:10. It is actually ok to say, "I do not know!".
 

savagewind

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Very good question savagewind!

I'd like to rephrase it, if I could,

Witnesses, do you believe it is God's will for you to accept everything the slave says, knowing (God) a teaching is wrong, until He/God deems the "proper time" for you to be fed the right food?
You can.....and you do. Bravo!
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Oh look...a mutual admiration society.... I will let time tell you everything you need to know.


Oh, let's see!
The Bible in common.
Creation in common.
The ten commandments in common.
Meeting together in common.
Good works in common.
Obedience to God in common.
Belief in the judgment in common.
Confessing sins in common.
Bring up the children to believe in God in common.
Being modest in common.

None of the above. Not even close.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Oh look...a mutual admiration society.... I will let time tell you everything you need to know.
You will let time? There you have it, folks! They think they are Jehovah.




None of the above. Not even close.
I didn't say their perspective is the same. Did I?
"In common" means of joint interest. It doesn't mean identical.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
I should probably provide another reason for saying the Jehovah's Witnesses think that they are Jehovah.
If a person leaves them it is being said about the person that he or she has "left Jehovah".
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
We have no trinity, no immortal soul, no hell of eternal fiery torment, no images (including crosses) used in our worship, no ritual, no repetitious prayers, no fancy dress or funny hats, no paid clergy, no hierarchy or rank.

Yet, you claim God created Adam to live forever. God is going to annihilate something He created to live forever, go figure.

I don't believe that "hell" is an eternal "fiery torment", the Bible says that death and hades are cast into the lake of fire, think of it as Alcatraz, it's a prison that sits off shore and surround by water. That's where hell is, in the middle of a fiery lake, with no way out, eternally separated from God
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Your non-paid governing body, sure have some expensive suits and watches for not having any money. I guess they save their meager $125 a month to buy those things!

Really, no hierarchy?

orgchart.jpg

Deeje, kjw47, or anyone, notice anything odd about this chart? I'll give you a hint, it's why the "real teachers" have to keep making corrections.
 
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djhwoodwerks

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We, as Adam's descendants are not more perfect than anyone else, but you will not find a global body of Christians more obedient to the laws of God and the teachings of his Christ than we are. If all the world's inhabitants were JW's there would be no crime or violence, no war or bloodshed, no hate or political corruption, no retribution and no raping of the earth for financial gain.

Witnesses are not "more perfect than anyone else", BUT, you will not find any other GLOBAL body of Christians as PERFECT as witnesses! If EVERYONE was a witness, the world would be PERFECT!

We hold no beliefs in common with any of their churches, whereas denominations in Christendom hold most of the same core doctrines in common.

Why did you go from "beliefs" to "doctrines"? Beliefs and doctrines aren't the same, correct?

Witnesses hold many of the same beliefs as Christendom, they have different doctrines, but the same beliefs.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes all 34,000 teach they are lead by Holy spirit--Is Gods holy spirit that confused=NO--Twistings of men that never get corrected made all the confusion. Error filled trinity translations have confused them as well.
1Cor 1:10-- unity of thought( all matters of Gods truth) no division= one single religion has Jesus.
And exactly how can you be certain they or the HS is "confused" and you're not?

Interpretations can vary, and to declare one's own interpretation as being rock-solid while all other interpretations supposedly are "confused" is simply an arrogance we don't need any more of. Anyone who has ever spent any time in scriptural studies well knows that two intelligent people can read the same narrative but come out with differing interpretations.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
I just quoted what your "real teachers" wrote, I guess you can't understand their English neither!

Let me break it down for you,

*** w79 6/15 p. 23 par. 4 “The Dead in Christ Shall Rise First” ***
This OFFICIAL PRESENCE begins with his second coming. According to the “sign” that Jesus foretold and also according to certain Bible time measurements, his invisible “presence,” or parousia, began in autumn of 1914 C.E.

It says, "His official PRESENCE "BEGINS" with His SECOND coming", so, they said, 'with Jesus' SECOND' coming His official PRESENCE began correct, do you see that kjw47?

HIS OFFICIAL PRESENCE BEGINS WITH HIS SECOND COMING, Got it? And His PRESENCE began in Autumn of 1914, you with me so far?

*** w54 6/15 p. 372 par. 11 The Revelation of Jesus Christ ***
As applied to the second coming of Christ it is used to indicate either the years of the beginning of his visit or to refer to the entire time he is with mankind. This time began in 1914 and means that Christ is now present though invisible.

Your "real teachers" said, "the SECOND coming of Christ..refers to the entire time He is with mankind", got it so far? "This time BEGAN in 1914".

Got it now kjw47, your "real teachers" said that His PRESENCE began WITH His SECOND coming.

You are indoctrinated so bad that you can't even see the deception. Why do you feel the need to defend such deception from those men? If you've gotten "new light" on the teaching, please share it with us, even better, please explain what you see those two quotes saying.


I know exactly what it says. Jesus presence began in 1914--invisible--he did not physically come to the earth. At the 2nd ride of the white horse. Jesus comes leading Gods armies, Gods kingdom rule is with him.
 
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