spirit of antichrist is in the world today

[Deeje]

I wasn't referring to "trinitarianism", just the fact that the JW's are just another Christian denomination. Nor do you "stand alone" any more than any other denomination as each denomination tends to believe that it is more correct than all the other denominations.

JW's are nothing to do with Christendom, metis. We hold no beliefs in common with any of their churches, whereas denominations in Christendom hold most of the same core doctrines in common. They only differ on relatively minor issues. We have no trinity, no immortal soul, no hell of eternal fiery torment, no images (including crosses) used in our worship, no ritual, no repetitious prayers, no fancy dress or funny hats, no paid clergy, no hierarchy or rank. We do not resemble them in any way.

This is a complete separation because this is what was foretold for "the last days".....the "wheat" would not resemble the "weeds" at all come the "harvest time".....and Jesus already said that "few" would be on the road to life. (Matthew 7:13-14) "The good news of the Kingdom" was to be preached in all the world as a "witness to all the nations" before the foretold "end" was to come. (Matthew 24:14) Who are out preaching an unpopular message in all the world.....and who are seen to be 'hated and persecuted' for doing nothing more than Jesus and his apostles did? (John 15:18-21) Yet despite all that we continue to grow. (Isaiah 2:2-4)

We will not participate in violence or raise anything but our voices for what we believe in. You will not find JW's in jail for being convicted criminals unless they have broken God's laws unrepentantly....which means that they cease to be JW's at that point.
We, as Adam's descendants are not more perfect than anyone else, but you will not find a global body of Christians more obedient to the laws of God and the teachings of his Christ than we are. If all the world's inhabitants were JW's there would be no crime or violence, no war or bloodshed, no hate or political corruption, no retribution and no raping of the earth for financial gain. Can the same be said for RCC or any other denomination in Christendom metis?

 

[MohammadPali]

oHHHH, I didn't know jehova witnesses didn't believe in the trinity, and no cross either ? No symbols ? Very interesting. Do you follow paul ?

 

[Jean Valjean]

Belgian blue??

 

[Jean Valjean]

You need to get experience with all this. To side with Witness for a change, they are continuing repting evangelical church doctrines that you neglect.... as you go along with them in their church they start singing gospel songs such as "holy, holy, holy"

They test you... and try to educate you on the word of God with these disputes. Arguing the trinity is in my experience a deathsentence whatever side your on.

If we look at the doctrine of the trinity we conclude that that's the way of trinitarians to build up a doctrine of the idea that Christians has inherited everything by faith in Jesus (hence testament), a testament of whom God is not dead. Therefore christians who support the trinity use this ground to nourish the concept of the trinity. Shortly its a doctrine giving christian the right to believe in a testament from God, without having God in the tomb.

It must be told that the doctrine of the trinity includes shema...

 

[MohammadPali]

If god died whos going to rule the earth ? You guys say it like its a tuesday. This is blasphemy.

 

[Jean Valjean]

That's the point, it is meaningless to argue the trinity, it is a deathsentence. Side with one party the other condemn you to hell, side with the other the first will.

They test you to educate you on the word. after you done with this you hold a degree in theology.
'Ma.'
'Dr.'
Pick one

 

[Deeje]

oHHHH, I didn't know jehova witnesses didn't believe in the trinity, and no cross either ? No symbols ? Very interesting. Do you follow paul ?

We probably have more in common with ancient Judaism than Christendom. Jesus was Jewish when all said and done. He did not come to start a new religion, but to clean up the old one.

We follow Jesus Christ and believe that Paul was used by him to preach to his fellow Jews and to the Gentile nations. We find none of his writings in conflict with the teachings of Jesus. He was not instructed by the other apostles, but was taught through the power of holy spirit by Jesus himself.

We hold no beliefs in common with the churches......all the fractured thousands of them.

 

[Deeje]

That's the point, it is meaningless to argue the trinity, it is a deathsentence. Side with one party the other condemn you to hell, side with the other the first will.

This what it means to be a Christian....to know what Christ taught....not what any church teaches. One of the first things you learn from God's word is that there is no "hell". Since there is no immortal soul to flit off anywhere, those who die are all still asleep in their graves waiting to Jesus to call them out of death and into paradise, like the first one that God produced. Remember Lazarus? Where was Lazarus before Jesus raised him? (John 11:11-14) Jesus said he was "sleeping".

The trinity is a breach of the first Commandment....Exodus 20:3.
To put any other god in place of YHWH (the Father) is blasphemy.
If Jesus never once said he was God, how does Christendom get away with saying that he is "God the Son"?
Jesus only ever said he was "the son of God"....big difference.

They test you to educate you on the word. after you done with this you hold a degree in theology.
'Ma.'
'Dr.'
Pick one

I am left wondering what on earth you are saying most of the time, but after a lengthy study of the Bible with JW's people are then in a position to make some choices....informed ones. There are no degrees in theology needed or required. Neither Jesus nor any of the 12 were educated in the Jewish religious schools....and for a very good reason.

 

[Jean Valjean]

You listen to Passenger. 'only ever' is a phrase from the boy who cried wolf.

As for the dispute. Been there done that..

 

[Deeje]

You listen to Passenger. 'only ever' is a phrase from the boy who cried wolf.

What????

 

[Jean Valjean]

I been going through this before. This a reminder. Lake of Fire would be the lake around Visuvio.
Gehenna during NT time is located outside Jerusalem were sinners were burned. The crematory would be the equivalence to Gehenna or hell. Today's israelii gehenna is a prison in Israel were life sentenced people are thrown, without food, without water.
The tomb for the sleeping as you adress it, would be in agreement with old testament prophets claiming that the earth is swallow up the wicked as a roaring lion. The grave is were your bone rest until you become dust again.

As reminder, you don't need to die to go to heaven. That's a traditional doctrine inherited by many cultures and religions. Jesus has promised us eternal life in John 3:16, even though the baptism John came with includes becoming buried, death has no power over the believer.

For the believers, Moses passed away to the fathers after his death. Heaven is a concept most religions has, but is in the midst of us, as Jesus claim

also to reply to the notion.
Jews stone christians for trinitarian belief
Evangelical chrurch condemn witnessess like you to hell for rejecting it.

Its a deathsentence.

 

[metis]

JW's are nothing to do with Christendom, metis. We hold no beliefs in common with any of their churches, whereas denominations in Christendom hold most of the same core doctrines in common...

Demonstrably false, but we've gone through this before, so I'm not interested in rehashing the hash. .

 

[kjw47]

I wasn't referring to "trinitarianism", just the fact that the JW's are just another Christian denomination. Nor do you "stand alone" any more than any other denomination as each denomination tends to believe that it is more correct than all the other denominations.

Yes all 34,000 teach they are lead by Holy spirit--Is Gods holy spirit that confused=NO--Twistings of men that never get corrected made all the confusion. Error filled trinity translations have confused them as well.
1Cor 1:10-- unity of thought( all matters of Gods truth) no division= one single religion has Jesus.

 

[kjw47]

I'm twisting things?

Let me see if I understand, in 1914 Jesus BEGAN His second coming by His PRESENCE with mankind from heaven. Then at Armageddon, when He PHYSICALLY comes to earth, that will COMPLETE His SECOND coming that began with His PRESENCE, while still in heaven. Am I close?

Your "real teachers" say different kjw47, they say, "His PRESENCE begins with His second coming". They didn't say, 'His SECOND coming begins with His PRESENCE'.

w79 6/15 p. 23 par. 4 “The Dead in Christ Shall Rise First” ***
This official presence begins with his second coming. According to the “sign” that Jesus foretold and also according to certain Bible time measurements, his invisible “presence,” or parousia, began in autumn of 1914 C.E.

Please PAY ATTENTION to your "real teachers",

Jesus' OFFICIAL PRESENCE began with His second coming, it doesn't say his SECOND COMING began, His PRESENCE began with His SECOND coming.

That statement is in the June 15, 1979 watchtower.



You type something like that and you say I'm confused?

You must be thick. You sure cannot understand English.

 

[kjw47]

This is proven, 100% FACT that a witness won't address a topic they can't refute. You said satan would attack Jesus' seed, his "real teachers" and referenced Genesis, I showed you what the Bible REALLY teaches, and you respond with the same ol' nonsense! All you have to do is READ IT FOR YOURSELF!



You're wrong, kjw47, satan and his angels have already been kicked out of heaven, that's why and how he can be the god of this world, unless of course you believe he is ruling from heaven, by Jesus' side! Are they co-rulers in heaven kjw47? The good and the bad, side by side, playing the game! If satan, God's adversary, can be in heaven, why can't we be in heaven as sinners?

Read again the account of the antichrist, he takes a place of prominence in the world, he sits in the holy place and rules, most people will worship him, and he goes about the world conquering. The antichrist is the rider of the first white horse.

Calling Jesus the antichrist---smoke another one. Even the trinity scholars who don't know jack, know the white horse in revelation= righteous war--you call Jesus the antichrist in your darkness.

 

[kjw47]

Come on kjw47, you're looking foolish now, please think before you type!

There are MANY truths in the KJV, Catholicism had 0 to do with the KJV, EXCEPT FOR THE ERRORS that are present? If Catholicism had ZERO to do with the KJV, how could they have made the errors in it?

When the protestants translated, over 1000 years after the councils--only Catholicism translating works remained--all originals were gone. So then, the one who translated the KJV had 0 clue to the errors.

 

[kjw47]

Let me guess, they're called kingdom halls!

Every utterance from God is taught in kingdom halls--it is Gods will.

 

[kjw47]

Really! Then why did your "real teachers" see the need to write their own Bible?



Please provide the verse/s where Jesus said, "because of His name (Jesus) they do not know the One Who sent Him". I would like to see that for myself!



Please, please kjw47, learn your Bible! Don't listen to those false teachers!

What Jesus meant by, "not of this world" is,

1 John 2:16 (ESV Strong's) 16 For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.

John 15:20-21)

 

[djhwoodwerks]

You must be thick. You sure cannot understand English.

I just quoted what your "real teachers" wrote, I guess you can't understand their English neither!

Let me break it down for you,

*** w79 6/15 p. 23 par. 4 “The Dead in Christ Shall Rise First” ***
This OFFICIAL PRESENCE begins with his second coming. According to the “sign” that Jesus foretold and also according to certain Bible time measurements, his invisible “presence,” or parousia, began in autumn of 1914 C.E.

It says, "His official PRESENCE "BEGINS" with His SECOND coming", so, they said, 'with Jesus' SECOND' coming His official PRESENCE began correct, do you see that kjw47?

HIS OFFICIAL PRESENCE BEGINS WITH HIS SECOND COMING, Got it? And His PRESENCE began in Autumn of 1914, you with me so far?

*** w54 6/15 p. 372 par. 11 The Revelation of Jesus Christ ***
As applied to the second coming of Christ it is used to indicate either the years of the beginning of his visit or to refer to the entire time he is with mankind. This time began in 1914 and means that Christ is now present though invisible.

Your "real teachers" said, "the SECOND coming of Christ..refers to the entire time He is with mankind", got it so far? "This time BEGAN in 1914".

Got it now kjw47, your "real teachers" said that His PRESENCE began WITH His SECOND coming.

You are indoctrinated so bad that you can't even see the deception. Why do you feel the need to defend such deception from those men? If you've gotten "new light" on the teaching, please share it with us, even better, please explain what you see those two quotes saying.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yes all 34,000 teach they are lead by Holy spirit--Is Gods holy spirit that confused

Really kjw47, that comment and question coming from you? Are you claiming that, because Christendom doesn't "make corrections" that they aren't led by the Holy Spirit? I believe that they, not all, ARE led by the Holy Spirit. I believe they LISTEN to the Holy Spirit and have not had to make CORRECTIONS.

Your "real teachers" claim to be led by the Holy Spirit, yet, they keep screwing it up, they have to keep "correcting" themselves, "is God's Holy Spirit that confused"?

Every utterance from God is taught in kingdom halls--it is Gods will.

That's not true! If "every utterance of God" is taught, then you are claiming God makes mistakes, because your "real teachers" make mistakes. Are you claiming God makes mistakes kjw47? If you believe He doesn't, then that comment is a lie!