Exodus was not in Egypt

[Magus]

I have completely uprooted the entire story of the Exodus out of real-world Egypt. The story didn't take place in that geography and i can linguistically prove it.

The one word that puts it in Egypt is מִצְרַיִם ' Mizraim ' , this word means 'between two streams'
in Greek that is 'μέσο ῥόον' / Meso Roon / that is synonymous with μέσο ποταμός / Meso Potamos /
but these words are not specific to a region.

Joshua 11:8 ' Misrephothmaim ' = μέσο ποταμός
Genesis 25:20 'Padanaram'

You have have come across the word 'Padan Aram' , Septuagint writes it as 'Mesopotamia-Syria
(to distinguish it from the other Mesopotamia) and that is Greek too , πεδίων Μασσω ' Padion Messo'
meaning 'Between two Joints'

They are referring to the rivers, Litani and Orontes that emerge in opposite directions from Mount Hermon
and that is Padan-Aram, also known as Beqaa Valley or Coele-Syria.

Exodus 1:11
'treasure cities'
- 1Ki 9:19 - built in Lebanon
- 2 Ch 8:6 - built in Lebanon

Pithom, same as Ethom, in Greek , Βουθαν or Beth-On near Migdol (Lebanon)

Ramses רַעְמְסֵס , in GK Ραμεσση from ῥῶ μέσσῃ ( between two stream) or
Ramoth that is also in Lebanon

Third City ( Only mentioned in the Septuagint )
Heliopolis ' Baalbek ' and אָוֶן ( On ), in Syria-Lebanon-Eden/Edem ( Amos 1:5)

Exodus 14:2 - Pihahiroth ( פִּי הַחִרֹת ), this is not an Egyptian word, it means 'Burnt Mouth
and synonym with 'Ethiopia' , see Genesis 2:13, but also synonym with ' יָם סוֹף ( Yam Suph )
usually means 'Red Sea ' but Suph, from פֶּה ( peh ) means Mouth , during winter the mouths
of the streams are frozen, but during spring, the suns heat melts them and they feed the boundary rivers, Red Sea , Eden, Edem and Jordan are all synonymous terms.

Gen 5:32 - HAM , is written in Gk 'Χαμ' (Xam ) 'cold-region '
thus the reason Canaan / Lebanon are on the HAM branch, the frost-region
around Mt Hermon.

Gen 10:15 - Canaan
Gen 10:17 Sinite -סִינִי ( SINAI )
Gen 10:18 - Hamath ( < In Lebanon-Syria)

Genesis 10 nearly puts Sinai right next to Hamath , Sinai means 'Snow
from Greek 'χιών' ( Khion ) .

- Where the authors poor at geography -
Judges 3:3 * Hamath in Lebanon
in mount Lebanon, from mount Baalhermon unto the entering in of Hamath.
Num 34:8 * Mount Hor is near 'Hamath
From mount Hor ye shall point out your border unto the entrance of Hamath
Num 21:4 *Mount Hor is near Red Sea
And they journeyed from mount Hor by the way of the Red sea, to compass the land of Edom
Numbers 33:41 * Zalmon near Hor
Departed from Mount Hor and pitched in Zalmonah (צַלְמוֹן )
Psalm 68:14 * Zalmon was white as Snow
it was white as snow in Zalmon (צַלְמוֹן )
Judges 9:48 * Mount Hermon ( Septuagint)
get him up to Mount Zalmon

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Archaeologists have beaten you to it. Exodus is generally accepted these days as fabrication.

 

[Magus]

Archaeologists have beaten you to it. Exodus is generally accepted these days as fabrication.

Muslims have a Hajj , a annual pilgrimage to Mecca , they go and they return, that is the premise of Exodus, Mecca was founded by Syrians, so they must have preserved it, but in there own geographical context.

The Biblical exodus was not a single event, but an Annual event, the Pharaoh is the Phoenix, the Chariot or the Sun, it's that heat which melts the Hermonian snows , trickled down and feeds the rivers of the Levant.

The wilderness, is a pilgrimage around the Mount of Hermon , they appear to have being 12 boundary markers, most likely used as orienteering markers, along the way they would eat the Sap of the Cedar trees for energy, also known as Manna or Bdellium.

Norse is rather similar, since those stories also take place in a Snow temperate , thus Thor defeats Geirrod the Ice Giant, King David defeats Goliath the Ice Giant, in reality, the sun-god melts Ice, that feeds the rivers, it's a cycle, that is why the Phoenix is associated with Lebanon , for it symbolises the regenerating snow.

 

[MohammadPali]

Muslims have a Hajj , a annual pilgrimage to Mecca , they go and they return, that is the premise of Exodus, Mecca was founded by Syrians, so they must have preserved it, but in there own geographical context.

The Biblical exodus was not a single event, but an Annual event, the Pharaoh is the Phoenix, the Chariot or the Sun, it's that heat which melts the Hermonian snows , trickled down and feeds the rivers of the Levant.

The wilderness, is a pilgrimage around the Mount of Hermon , they appear to have being 12 boundary markers, most likely used as orienteering markers, along the way they would eat the Sap of the Cedar trees for energy, also known as Manna or Bdellium.

Norse is rather similar, since those stories also take place in a Snow temperate , thus Thor defeats Geirrod the Ice Giant, King David defeats Goliath the Ice Giant, in reality, the sun-god melts Ice, that feeds the rivers, it's a cycle, that is why the Phoenix is associated with Lebanon , for it symbolises the regenerating snow.

lol wth is this.

 

[Magus]

Manna identified.

The Hebrew word for Frankincense is לְבוֹנָה ( lĕbownah ) which sounds exactly like Lebanon , Cedar trees 'Cedrus libani' are grown in Lebanon and within these trees, is a white resin, when burn't it lets off a white smoke according to Pliny, the juice of the Cedar, as Electrostatic properties, this juice was known as 'Succinum', from 'Sucus' meaning Juice and this is the meaning behind 'סֻכּוֹת' ( Cukkowth ), thus the phrase ' feast of tabernacles' is really, the fest of the Juice of the Cedar , which i have also identified with Manna and Bdellium.

Genesis 2:12 - There is Bdellium
Numbers 11:7 - The manna was as coriander seed, and the colour thereof as the colour of bdellium.

What is the colour of Bdellium?

Numbers 11:7 is a rehash of Exodus 16:31, It was white and tastes of honey.

Exodus 16:31
- Manna: and it was like coriander seed, white; and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey.

Cedar wood is red on the inside but white on the outside, the flag of Lebanon in the middle as a Cedar tree along with the white-red colours.

Sng 5:10
My beloved is white and red
Sng 5:15
His countenance (מַרְאֶה) is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.
Gen 2:9
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight (מַרְאֶה)
Sng 4:8
Come with me from Lebanon my spouse
Psa 104:16
The trees of the LORD are full of sap; the cedars of Lebanon which he hath planted;
Sng 3:6
Who is this that comets out of the wilderness like pillars of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and frankincense(lĕbownah )
Sng 3:9
King Solomon made himself a chariot of the wood of Lebanon.
Sng 4:15
A fountain of gardens, a well of living waters, and streams from Lebanon
Sng 5:15
His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon excellent as the cedars.
Sngs 7:4
thy nose is as the tower of Lebanon which toward Damascus
Isa 29:17
Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into a fruitful field
Eze 31:16
all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon
Hos 14:6
His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.
Hos 14:7
the scent there of shall be as the wine of Lebanon.
Deu 3:25
I pray thee, let me go over, and see the good land that is beyond Jordan, that goodly mountain, and Lebanon
Psa 92:12
The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon
Sng 4:11
Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue; and the smell of thy garments is like the smell of Lebanon.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Muslims have a Hajj, a annual pilgrimage to Mecca, they go and they return, that is the premise of Exodus,

Exodus has absolutely nothing to do with Muslims. Islam wasn't even a thing back when it was written. Claiming that it's a hajj presents many problems as well: Why would the phoenix deny... whatever you think is going on to the Muslims? What purpose does a phoenix have in a hajj at all? What are the plagues all about? What is the issue of slavery all about? You're trying to make something fit that just doesn't, for reasons that are completely absent.

Norse is rather similar, since those stories also take place in a Snow temperate , thus Thor defeats Geirrod the Ice Giant,

No. Just, no. Thor is not a sun god, the Jotun are not "ice giants", and you're just making stuff up at this point.

 

[Magus]

Exodus has absolutely nothing to do with Muslims. Islam wasn't even a thing back when it was written. Claiming that it's a hajj presents many problems as well: Why would the phoenix deny... whatever you think is going on to the Muslims? What purpose does a phoenix have in a hajj at all? What are the plagues all about? What is the issue of slavery all about? You're trying to make something fit that just doesn't, for reasons that are completely absent.


No. Just, no. Thor is not a sun god, the Jotun are not "ice giants", and you're just making stuff up at this point.

I can explain all the plagues.

Frogs *Hail
Exodus 8:6
And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.

The Hebrew word for frog is 'צְפַרְדֵּעַ ( tsĕphardea ) that is next to צִפֹּרָה ( Tsipporah )
meaning Bird, but the word comes from צִפּוֹר ( tsippowr ), the further root is פַּרְסָה (parcah )
meaning Hoof and פֶּרֶס (perec) 'bird of pray' and פָּרַס (parac) 'divide into pieces' and
always used to describe hoofs or 'sharp objects' like Ice-shards .

Lev 11:3 Whatsoever parteth (parac) the hoof (parcah)
Psalm 69:39 horns (Qaran) and hoofs ( parac)

פָּרַס (parac) 'divide into pieces' thus PRC > BRK ( Break ) or Fragile , Fragment
but also flaga ( Stone-slab) thus Plak, Flat, Plax or Floh
meaning 'Fragment' but also פֶּלֶג and פְּלַגָּה (pĕlaggah) ' division'

Parchah (פַּרְסָה) means Claw, (tsipporen) צִפֹּרֶן means Nail but also
'point' like of a diamond ( Jer 17:1)

Faraggi (φάραγξ) means Cleft / Chasm / Ravine
Deu 2:36 - river(Faraggi) unto Giliad

Tgr / Tahar ( תַּעַר) * Razor , sheath of a sword , Point
1Sa 17:51 * David killed Goliath with a Tahar

Since 'Tahar or 'TGR means Razor / Sharp it became the word
Tiger or Tigris for it's sharp claws and פַּרְסָה became צִפּוֹר
for the sharp claws

צְפַרְדֵּעַ ' broken into pieces , fragments, Sharp or Shards of Ice or Claws

Exodus 8:6 * Snow-Claws * Santa Claus
And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs(Claws) came up, and covered the land of Egypt.

Locusts *Hail
LORD turned a mighty strong west(YM) wind, which took away the locusts (אַרְבֶּה 'arbeh) cast them /fell/ into the Red sea there remained not one locust (khag·äv ) in all the coasts of Egypt( Mizraim = Between two streams)

grasshoppers ( חָגָב ) khä·gäv'
Clefts (חֲגָו) khag·äv
Gk 'σκέπη' ( Skhepe ) (Covering )
*covered in Snow

Ice Giants
Num 13:22 Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak ( Three Peaks of Mount Hermon )

Num 13:33 - And there we saw the giants(Nephele), the sons of Anak ( Anap )
they were like Locusts

Niflheim - Abode of Mist ( Norse Mythology)
νεφέλη ( Nephele ) - Snow Cloud
νέφος ( Nephos ) - Cloud
נָפַח ( Nephah ) - gush of air , breath
נָפַל ( Naphal ) - falling Snow

Goliath ' G-L-D '
* גליד (GLID) the Hebrew word for Ice cream ?
* גלידא (GLIDIA) means Ice in Aramaic
* Jalid means Ice in Arabic

 

[Jean Valjean]

According to ancient histroy, Pharao was king of egypt, "...and Moses and Aaron went to Pharao"

Liturgical speaking we got semitic words for your claim, but history books in ancient times all adress Ramses I, II, III as kings of egypt...

 

[Rival]

No. Just, no. Thor is not a sun god, the Jotun are not "ice giants", and you're just making stuff up at this point.

He just talks shiit about other people's religions all the time. Take no notice and reply to more relevant threads.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I can explain all the plagues.

Explain how they're pertinent to a religion that would not exist for 2,020 years.

Ice Giants

Once more, the Jotnar are not ice giants. They are simply giants.

Niflheim - Abode of Mist

Wrong. Niflheimr is described as being wreathed in mist, yet this is not clouds or fog; it is the Veil of Death. Niflheimr is the Abode of the Dead.

You are still making stuff up.

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Ah, thanks for the heads up, @Rival

 

[Magus]

According to ancient histroy, Pharao was king of egypt, "...and Moses and Aaron went to Pharao"

Liturgical speaking we got semitic words for your claim, but history books in ancient times all adress Ramses I, II, III as kings of egypt...

Egyptians never referred to there Monarchs as Pharaohs

The Greek word for Lord is κυρίου KURIOU , In Hebrew that ker·üv ( Cherub) which interchanges with רְכוּב ( rek·üv') meaning 'Chariot and the word came from the Latin CARRVS .

Pharaoh is written in Gk 'Φαραω' and Φ interchanges with the Hebrew
letter Qoph, thus Φαραω > κυρῶ 'κύριος ' ( Kurios ) then back
to the Hebrew ker·üv ( Cherub) and rek·üv' ( Chariot ) , that interchanges
contextually.

Psalms 104:3
who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
Psalms 18:10
And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind.


This is a JERUSALEM 4th Century BCE coin depicting 'Yahve'
on this Winged-Chariot . This is the Jewish God. the charioteer.

 

[columbus]

Goliath ' G-L-D '
* גליד (GLID) the Hebrew word for Ice cream ?

Finally!
RF comes through with some truly important information.
Thank you Magus.
Tom

 

[Magus]

Explain how they're pertinent to a religion that would not exist for 2,020 years.


Once more, the Jotnar are not ice giants. They are simply giants.


Wrong. Niflheimr is described as being wreathed in mist, yet this is not clouds or fog; it is the Veil of Death. Niflheimr is the Abode of the Dead.

You are still making stuff up.

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Ah, thanks for the heads up, @Rival

Rival doesn't have a real relgion.

You just said, 'Niflheimr' means Mist and a Mist is a Cloud that reaches ground-level , the Greek word for a Cloud is 'Nephele' (νεφέλη) , point proven.

 

[Jean Valjean]

Manna is according to modern gastronomy the seed of whey that could be mold into a white powder we know as wheat... Nevermind what the package contents reveal to us... Whey is the dust under barn in my experience. According to my teachers Manna that rain in the desert under the forty years was handpicked by Angels. With my experience with farmers and their proffessions, Manna is created from the word Manna, and as you define manna being handpicked by angels, seraphims, as our theology school teach us, we all got something that could feed thousands, millions, billions of men. All depends on what we wrote with the pencil...

 

[Magus]

Finally!
RF comes through with some truly important information.
Thank you Magus.
Tom

Will any Hebrew speakers confirm that גלידה actually
mean Ice Cream.

When snow falls, it forms a white-skin on the Earth
thus the Hebrew word for Skin is גֶּלֶד (GLD ) and it is
not coincidental that GLD as the same
consonants as in the word GOLD

 

[MohammadPali]

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[The Kilted Heathen]

Rival doesn't have a real relgion.

That's a bit the Crow calling the Raven black.

You just said, 'Niflheimr' means Mist

I said no such thing. However, there was a mix up - Helheimr is the Abode of the Dead, wreathed in the Shroud Mist of Death. Niflheimr is the primordial state of entropy, lack of life/heat (of which the byproduct is extreme cold) cosmic death, non-existence, and complete darkness. If you would have looked closer at the Wikipedia page that you're probably pulling your information from, you would note that when it says Niflheimr means "Mist Home", the "Abode of Mist" or "Mist World", it says Citation Needed. Meaning it's not verified and quite likely isn't true at all. "Heimr" does mean hall. "Nifl" means darkness. So the more correct meaning of the name is "Hall of Darkness"

the Greek word for a Cloud is 'Nephele' (νεφέλη), point proven.

A word looking somewhat the same, and claiming that they mean the same thing, is the height of ignorance. Also the Greek word for "cloud" is νέφος (néphos - pronounced nee-fos).

You're wrong. There is no point proven.

 

[MohammadPali]

You guys should join forces and make a movie to rival lord of the rings. And have ice cream in it.

 

[Jean Valjean]

Galyada

Mouthcandy

Food

 

[Magus]

A word looking somewhat the same, and claiming that they mean the same thing, is the height of ignorance. Also the Greek word for "cloud" is νέφος (néphos - pronounced nee-fos).

You're wrong. There is no point proven.

νέφος - cloud, mass of clouds
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νεφέλη - cloud, mass of clouds
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Read this...
Numbers 12:10 * Snow cloud
And the cloud departed from off the tabernacle; and, behold, Miriam became leprous, white as snow: and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous.

The Septuagint writes νεφέλη

Exodus 24:15 * Mist
And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud (νεφέλη ) covered the mount.

Ezekiel 38:9 * Mist
Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud (νεφέλη ) to cover the land

That is the difference , Nephos ( Cloud ) and Nephele ( Fallen Cloud )