spirit of antichrist is in the world today

[kjw47]

That isn't an appointment. IT IS A QUESTION!

When Israel asked for a leader in the form of a king, what did Jehovah say?

You want your appointed teachers so what do you think Jehovah will say?

Matt 24:45 is the Fathers will. That is all Jesus does--the Fathers will.

 

[kjw47]

Irrelevant nonresponse.

Very sad sir--everytime I share a bible truth with you--you shrug it off--You aren't telling me no--you are telling God no.

 

[kjw47]

Lol, no, they never said, 'the world is ending' but they sure eluded to it, a lot! Like these

*** km 5/74 p. 3 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.


*** w67 7/15 pp. 446-447 The Removal of Mankind’s Chief Disturber ***
According to the Bible timetable, man’s history on earth has been nearly 6,000 years. Adam was created in 4026 B.C.E., which means that six thousand years of human history end about the fall of 1975 C.E. We are in the great 7,000-year rest day of God, starting at the time he rested after the creation of Adam and Eve. There are, therefore, a thousand years left to run. Without Satan and his demons to disturb mankind it will indeed be a restful time. It will be like a sabbath. In a way it will be a sabbath within a sabbath. The last thousand years of God’s great seven-thousand-year rest is a special sabbath over which the Son of man will be Lord.

And if you need more FACTS, just let me know, I have them ALL!

They always pointed to its closeness. It is super close now.

 

[kjw47]

You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 34-37)​

NEVER was it said that we get a pass for words that are spoken, but only judged for words that are written.

A false message was spoken at a convention. Your Organization fed it to them. The sheep ate it just as they were encouraged and instructed to do. Some of the sheep got sick and had to leave.

Rather than apologize and repent for serving improper food to the sheep, your Organization demands the sheep who became sick to come back and apologize to the chefs and waiters who prepared and served the rancid food!

Look, imagine you are sitting at a restaurant and just had a bad meal. You complain, but the staff refuses to apologize. Instead they insist you first apologize for making the complaint before you they let you back into their restaurant. Would their "fine attitude" make you more or less eager to dine there?

What if the chefs and waiters publicly told you it was wrong for patrons to write bad reviews about their experience and they should keep such comments to themselves?

What if the restaurant owners accept no criticism but freely accept praise? Is this our telltale sign that the chefs are humble?

What happens if you learn "worldly food inspectors" came to the restaurant days and months before, recommending the chefs make certain changes but the chefs assured their patrons their food preparation was vastly superior to anything the world had to offer. Do you continue to bring your friends there?

Now what happens when you see a fly in your soup, and notice the same fly in everyone else's bowl? You ask your waiter about it, and he tells you not to worry, if there are flies in everyone's soup, "Jehovah will correct it in due time". Do you ask for spoons and tell the kids to "Dig in!"???

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And given the history of rancid food, should you expect us to be more or less willing to get up every Saturday morning, knocking on the doors of friends and neighbors to recommend this restaurant in the hope of getting a better seat at their table?

I know I couldn't recommend physical food at such an establishment, much less spiritual food. The idea of awesome eggs with an occasionally putrid cheese sauce isn't enough for me to dine there, and no, knowing the chefs are "fallible" would not be enough for me or any other reasonable person to change their mind.

Quite simply "Good News" that occasionally makes you sick is not a serving Christians should expect from God. Yes, mistakes can happen KJW, but if there's one thing I know it is this: we can never expect an apology for a bad meal when we partake in a table of demons. (1 Corinthians 10:21). Once you realize the cheese sauce makes you sick they'll bring out something new for you to enjoy.

Yes by God choosing to reveal certain truths at the proper time--weeded out many fake JW,s. A real JW stands until the end.
Only those in darkness could believe that imperfect men do not err--Correction then is the wise path--- The trinity religions came about like this--Catholicism created many lies from false council teachings--They never made correction. Others saw the darkness--they started new religions who carried the majority of errors with them--None of them make correction--instead became a divided house that will not stand
Fact--Those who have been making correction from error to truth here in these last days will prove right in the end.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

They listen to the HS--When God wills a truth known( at the proper time) they make correction once they see their error.

And that really makes sense to you kjw47? Is the Holy Spirit going to tell them something that is not right until God wills the truth to be known? Please pay attention to what you say!

Here is a simple one--1Cor 1:10--unity of thought ( all matters of truth) no division-

Yes, it's so simple you had to be misguided as to what it means!

1 Corinthians 1:10-13 (ESV Strong's) 10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

The division was, some said they followed Paul and some said they followed Apollos and some Cephas and some Christ, it was who they claimed to follow, not about everyone being in unity of thought! Please pay attention to what you say!

Stop living 100 years ago--they made many corrections since then--today is what counts.

If they made MANY corrections, they must have made MANY errors, and what do your "real teachers" say about errors?

*** w50 11/15 p. 462 Fraudulent Religious Relics ***
All error and lies are of the Devil and are certainly a great reproach and dishonor to God. (John 8:44; Rom. 1:25)


John 8:44 (ESV Strong's) 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Romans 1:25 (ESV Strong's) 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Does that apply to everyone but your teachers kjw47? Are the errors your teachers make Holy Spirit sanctioned? They must be, because you say they LISTEN to the Holy Spirit and they make corrections once they see them because the Holy Spirit is telling them things before God wills it to be known.

Your false reasonings write posts like that

Right back at you!

 

[Rick B]

The teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers--that is how I know.
Stop living 100 years ago--they made many corrections since then--today is what counts.

Yeah @djhwoodwerks, forget all of those "mistakes" they made in the past. They're only human. What they say today is 100% fact. Well until tomorrow when they correct their 100% fact mistakes.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

They always pointed to its closeness. It is super close now.

*** km 5/74 p. 3 How Are You Using Your Life? ***
Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.—1 John 2:17.

They weren't speaking of some time way in the future kjw47, they were referring to 1975 and you know it. They had people believing that the world was ending in 1975. People were selling their homes and property, and your teachers praised them for it!

You should really research it and see how many people left the org because of the false prediction. You'll go back thousands of years to research the false teachings of Christendom, but won't go back 50 years to research your own org.

 

[Oeste]

Yes by God choosing to reveal certain truths at the proper time--weeded out many fake JW,s.

I see...so it was Jehovah that put the flies in the soup and it was the Watchtower that later weeded them out?

A real JW stands until the end.

So we should have eaten the flies in the soup, and you would demand our children eat it as well because "real JW stands until the end" and don't get sick when offered rancid cheese?

Only those in darkness could believe that imperfect men do not err--Correction then is the wise path---

So why didn't the chef's correct before serving it? Isn't that what good chefs do? Was the light out in the kitchen when the food was prepared?

I'm afraid you haven't answered my questions and if this weak defense is an example of Watchtower theology then it brings nothing but reproach upon the Organization.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yeah @djhwoodwerks, forget all of those "mistakes" they made in the past. They're only human. What they say today is 100% fact. Well until tomorrow when they correct their 100% fact mistakes.

Lol, so true!

Watchtower November 1, 1922 page 333
Bible prophecy shows that the Lord was due to appear for the second time in the year 1874. Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that he did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable. All true watchers are familiar with these facts, as set forth in the Scriptures and explained in the interpretation by the Lord's special servant.

Like the, 100% "indisputable facts" that Jesus did appear in 1874!

Since his teachers listen to the Holy Spirit, He had to tell them something, so He just told them that trash because it wasn't time for God to will the truth to be known.

 

[Rick B]

Very sad sir--everytime I share a bible truth with you--you shrug it off--You aren't telling me no--you are telling God no.

I don’t shrug them off. I point out the fact that your replies do not directly respond to those arguments that obviously refute your absurd assertions. You always divert, run, build strawmen, and commit a plethora of logical fallacies. Your claiming umbrage is repulsive, pitiful, prevarication.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Only those in darkness could believe that imperfect men do not err--

What if those "imperfect men" actually LISTEN to the Holy Spirit and write exactly what He tells them, can they make errors then?

 

[savagewind]

They listen to the HS--When God wills a truth known( at the proper time) they make correction once they see their error.
Your false reasonings write posts like that---cannot you understands that the proper time means when God wills, not before--Jesus does exactly what his Father wills.
There are many errors in trinity translations. There is alot of symbolism in the bible as well--none can understand without the HS revealing the truth of the matter.
Here is a simple one--1Cor 1:10--unity of thought ( all matters of truth) no division--Why cant the 34,000 different trinity based religions understand this simple milk?

What I asked was why doesn't The Holy Spirit stop them when they want to say something that isn't right.

 

[savagewind]

The teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers--that is how I know.
Stop living 100 years ago--they made many corrections since then--today is what counts.

Today is what counts. I agree! Jesus isn't pictured at Revelation 6:2. They say it is Jesus. It was the proper time a long, long time ago for them to correct that serious mistake. It is as though they are calling the false crists "Jesus". It is the same, but opposite of what the Pharisees did when they called the real christ a false one.

I know you don't understand or you are faking it.

 

[savagewind]

What if those "imperfect men" actually LISTEN to the Holy Spirit and write exactly what He tells them, can they make errors then?

I want to give this post a bunch of stars.

 

[savagewind]

They always tell us to be prepared.

OK. But, anyone reading the Bible can know that he or she should be prepared.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Matt 24:45 is the Fathers will. That is all Jesus does--the Fathers will.

Matthew 24:45 (ESV Strong's) 45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?

That "question" is the Fathers will?

How can you, or any witness for that matter, actually believe that God didn't have any people/household from the time of the last apostle until 1914? How could there have not been a need for "food at the proper time" until 1914? How come God let the entire inhabited world from the time of the last apostle until 1914 live in darkness, not knowing the truth?

 

[savagewind]

Matthew 24:45 (ESV Strong's) 45 “Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time?

That "question" is the Fathers will?

How can you, or any witness for that matter, actually believe that God didn't have any people/household from the time of the last apostle until 1914? How could there have not been a need for "food at the proper time" until 1914? How come God let the entire inhabited world from the time of the last apostle until 1914 live in darkness, not knowing the truth?

I don't think that is what they are saying. The JWs say that there have always been servants of God for the will of God to do. They believe that presently it is their governing body. I think that @kjw47 has indicated such on this thread.

What they say is that in the FUTURE God will appoint the slave over all of God's belongings.

 

[savagewind]

God has always provided faith's direction through a person or people. It is what I believe the Hebrew Scriptures (the Old Testament) is all about.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I don't think that is what they are saying. The JWs say that there have always been servants of God for the will of God to do.

That can't be true, if God has always had servants, who had the truth, there would have been no need to form the witnesses or to rewrite the Bible. The erroneous Trinity religions, as kjw47 keeps saying, would not have been the only religions around, the true religion would have been in existence and there would have been no reason to start a new one or rewrite the Bible.

 

[kjw47]

And that really makes sense to you kjw47? Is the Holy Spirit going to tell them something that is not right until God wills the truth to be known? Please pay attention to what you say!



Yes, it's so simple you had to be misguided as to what it means!

1 Corinthians 1:10-13 (ESV Strong's) 10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. 11 For it has been reported to me by Chloe's people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. 12 What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

The division was, some said they followed Paul and some said they followed Apollos and some Cephas and some Christ, it was who they claimed to follow, not about everyone being in unity of thought! Please pay attention to what you say!



If they made MANY corrections, they must have made MANY errors, and what do your "real teachers" say about errors?

*** w50 11/15 p. 462 Fraudulent Religious Relics ***
All error and lies are of the Devil and are certainly a great reproach and dishonor to God. (John 8:44; Rom. 1:25)


John 8:44 (ESV Strong's) 44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Romans 1:25 (ESV Strong's) 25 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

Does that apply to everyone but your teachers kjw47? Are the errors your teachers make Holy Spirit sanctioned? They must be, because you say they LISTEN to the Holy Spirit and they make corrections once they see them because the Holy Spirit is telling them things before God wills it to be known.



Right back at you!

No one knew the hidden truths, until here in these last days( Daniel 12:4) not even Gods own angels-1Peter 1:12
And AT THE PROPER TIME= when God willed a truth known, it was--only through the teachers who have Jesus. The teachings were in the bible already but understood by none until these last days--Why? Because God, through the Holy spirit taught nothing on those matters to anyone prior to it being when God willed--Can you understand that reality?
Your reasoning is faulty.