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satan a god?

Grandliseur

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satan is a servant of god, doing god's will to bring us to temptation. how come satan is considered a god of his own?
I don't get where you got that from.

Satan is an enemy of God and all God's servants. He is spoken of as a roaring lion going about trying to kill us. The ruler of this world, a god of this system of things.

The demons and satan all set themselves up to be worshiped as gods. Satan seems to have been among many others, Zeus. Thus, when people worshiped these demons who presented themselves to people with real acts of sometimes superhuman activities people naturally took them to be gods.
 

blü 2

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satan is a servant of god, doing god's will to bring us to temptation. how come satan is considered a god of his own?
The Abrahamic religions are taken to be monotheistic, so the logic is for a single god.

But the constant billing given to Satan from the right gives him the status of Yahweh's Enemy. I can't recall hearing it suggested in a church that he's a servant of Yahweh ─ if he were, asking Yahweh for protection would read, 'Yahweh, please call off your dog!'.

A benevolent being isn't supposed to have set his dog onto you in the first place.

Besides, the idea of life, the universe and everything as a conflict between good and evil, Yahweh (or Jesus) and Satan, Ormazd and Ahriman, Dumbledore and Voldemort, is psychologically much more interesting, much more involving.

And such a conflict solves the problem of evil much more convincingly than ever Tom Aquinas or any other monotheist spokesperson did.

Finally, a real Satan generates fear, and fear is a major plank of sales technique.
 
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blü 2

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There is speculation that Satan is one or more of the pagan Deities that demanded human sacrifice
Yahweh has a serious track record in the human sacrifice department.

Abraham (Genesis 22) took Yahweh seriously when demanded, but then the angel called it off. As did Jonah and the sailors until the whale came along. But no angel or whale rescued Jephthah's daughter (Judges 11:19+, a burnt offering) or the seven descendants of Saul (2 Samuel 21, impalement, politely called hanging in many translations).

And then there's the NT, of course ...
 

Muslim-UK

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Satan is an enemy of God and all God's servants. He is spoken of as a roaring lion going about trying to kill us. The ruler of this world, a god of this system of things.
Is this what Christianity teaches or just your personal belief?

The demons and satan all set themselves up to be worshiped as gods. Satan seems to have been among many others, Zeus. Thus, when people worshiped these demons who presented themselves to people with real acts of sometimes superhuman activities people naturally took them to be gods.
And you believe Demons to be fallen Angels?
 

Grandliseur

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Is this what Christianity teaches or just your personal belief?

And you believe Demons to be fallen Angels?
Satan ruler of this world:
John 12:31 Now is the time for the judgment of this world to begin. Now will the ruler of this world be thrown out.
2 Corinthians 4: 4 In their case, the god of this world has blinded the minds of those who do not believe to keep them from seeing the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God.​

Demons are fallen angels according to scripture. At times the term wicked spirits is also used, or even just spirits perhaps. They are not all equal in wickedness. There are in fact two groups of fallen angels, one belongs to satan and serves his designs; the other group are now in underground prisons around the globe. They await their judgment and some may be found not-guilty, so to say.

 

Fool

ALL in all
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People rebel against God. How then is there one God? Its the same question.


Satan is the wrathful aspect of love, or angry attribute.

Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Revelation 19:15
And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
 
There is no person, character or entity found anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures named “Satan.” The Hebrew Masculine Noun – שָׂטָן satan is not a Name or even a Proper Noun; it is simply a common Masculine Noun which means: 1) adversary, opponent, 2) accuser.

There are only two locations in the entire Hebrew Bible where any entity is given the title – הַשָּׂטָן hasatan, “the Accuser;” Z’ḵar’yah/Zechariah 3:1-3; and the first two chapters of the story of ʾIyyov/Job. Just the very locations where “the accuser” is mentioned should send red flags flying miles into the air.


Z’ḵar’yah haNavi was having a vision, a God given hallucination, it wasn’t real. His vision was of a courtroom scene taking place in Heaven with Y’hoshuaʿ the High Priest on trial. A random angel was acting as his defense attorney and – הַשָּׂטָן עֹמֵד עַל־יְמִינוֹ לְשִׂטְנוֹhasatan ʿoméd ʿal-y’miyno l’sit’no – “the Accuser stood on his right hand side to accuse him.” The Accuser is nothing more than the Prosecuting Attorney in God’s heavenly Court. But keep in mind that this is a vision, not a real event. The High Priest Y’hoshuaʿ ben-Yotzadaq never went to heaven for a trial.


The story of ʾIyyov, which is part of the K’tuviym in the Hebrew Bible, is a fable. What is a fable? It is a story that teaches a moral lesson. However, even in this story the Accuser is simply doing its job; it is accusing ʾIyyov of being a fair-weather follower. What is a Prosecutor’s job? To bring charges against a suspect, and prove them in court beyond a reasonable doubt. This is exactly what the Accuser was doing with ʾIyyov. But again, ʾIyyov is a fable, and the moral of the story is: remain loyal to God even through the bad times and He will reward you.

“The Accuser” is likely nothing more than a metaphor for the yétzer hara. Either way, there is no such thing as a devil in Judaism, or is there any such thing as fallen, or disobedient angels.

 

Muslim-UK

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There is no person, character or entity found anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures named “Satan.” The Hebrew Masculine Noun – שָׂטָן satan is not a Name or even a Proper Noun; it is simply a common Masculine Noun which means: 1) adversary, opponent, 2) accuser.

There are only two locations in the entire Hebrew Bible where any entity is given the title – הַשָּׂטָן hasatan, “the Accuser;” Z’ḵar’yah/Zechariah 3:1-3; and the first two chapters of the story of ʾIyyov/Job. Just the very locations where “the accuser” is mentioned should send red flags flying miles into the air.


Z’ḵar’yah haNavi was having a vision, a God given hallucination, it wasn’t real. His vision was of a courtroom scene taking place in Heaven with Y’hoshuaʿ the High Priest on trial. A random angel was acting as his defense attorney and – הַשָּׂטָן עֹמֵד עַל־יְמִינוֹ לְשִׂטְנוֹhasatan ʿoméd ʿal-y’miyno l’sit’no – “the Accuser stood on his right hand side to accuse him.” The Accuser is nothing more than the Prosecuting Attorney in God’s heavenly Court. But keep in mind that this is a vision, not a real event. The High Priest Y’hoshuaʿ ben-Yotzadaq never went to heaven for a trial.


The story of ʾIyyov, which is part of the K’tuviym in the Hebrew Bible, is a fable. What is a fable? It is a story that teaches a moral lesson. However, even in this story the Accuser is simply doing its job; it is accusing ʾIyyov of being a fair-weather follower. What is a Prosecutor’s job? To bring charges against a suspect, and prove them in court beyond a reasonable doubt. This is exactly what the Accuser was doing with ʾIyyov. But again, ʾIyyov is a fable, and the moral of the story is: remain loyal to God even through the bad times and He will reward you.

“The Accuser” is likely nothing more than a metaphor for the yétzer hara. Either way, there is no such thing as a devil in Judaism, or is there any such thing as fallen, or disobedient angels.

So the Snake in the Garden of Eden was such a accuser/seducer?
 
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