spirit of antichrist is in the world today

[kjw47]

What are you saying?????????????? Jesus dying did not "open the way to do his Father's will". Did Moses not do God's will? How about David? No? Daniel? Isaiah? MARY, for heaven's sake!

Not one was saved or had a chance until Jesus ransom sacrifice. That sacrifice opened the door.

 

[kjw47]

You are way off there!

1 John 4:2-3 (ESV Strong's) 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

2 John 1:7 (ESV Strong's) For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

The spirit of antichrist is not "hate, calamity, division", your teachers just tell you that to put you farther at odds with other religions. Get away from them false teachers and learn, "What the Bible Really Teaches"!

These do all that you think and show. But when they hear these words from Jesus--Get away from me you worker of iniquity, I must confess I NEVER even knew you( Matt 7:22-23)--He said-MANY will hear those words.
The false Jesus being taught in most religions claiming to be Christian, are not counted as doing anything correct. They are all being mislead into partaking off the table of Demons--God warned all. If they partake of that table they cannot partake of his table(1Cor 10:21) yet most are trying to partake of both tables because they are being lied to by the teachers of the false Jesus being taught. Yet all these confess to Jesus coming in the flesh as well as Believe. Its for naught because the Jesus they learn does not exist.

 

[savagewind]

Not one was saved or had a chance until Jesus ransom sacrifice. That sacrifice opened the door.

I think you meant to say that Jesus opened the way for God's will to be accomplished.
Lots of souls did the will of God before Jesus came. How else would he have come and been listened to?

I agree that without what Jesus is doing there would be no reconciliation with Jehovah.

 

[kjw47]

Rick B said: ↑
How about responding to post 436 on page 22[/QUOTE

@kjw47 "I cannot respond to every post. I had 20 today it would take hours."

In this case it is taking months. I first presented Ps.102:25-28 NWT on July 17 on the thread "The Bible Declares that Jesus is God" post 749 page 38.

Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of your hands.+
26 They will perish, but you will remain;
Just like a garment they will all wear out.
Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.
27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.+
28 The children of your servants will dwell securely,
And their offspring will be firmly established before you.”+

...with 2 questions: Who is the subject being described here? And what does this tell us about him?

You answered: God is being spoken of. God did it all--He created- Michael-Jesus) direct, first and last( Prov 8)--- then created all other things through Jesus. He always was and always will be.

Except for the eisegetical insertion about Michael you answered correctly. My Response: Yes, this is depicting YHWH/Jehovah describing Him as eternal, unchangeable, Creator of all things, although Jesus is not mentioned specifically. And these attributes are only true of God. As far as these verses applying to Almighty God alone we agree. In the margin of my copy of the NWT this section of Psalm 102 has a reference going to Hebrews 1:10-12.

Hebrews 1:8-12 NWT
8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

You reply: It is not calling Jesus God at Heb 1:8-12--- it clearly shows Jesus has a God, Companions mentioned are angels--Michael is Jesus.
I reply:
The issue of the grammar Hebrews 1:8-12 must first be addressed.
In verse 8 the "he" who is speaking is God the Father. Between the quotation marks are His statements. From the beginning of the quotation mark in verse 8 to the end of verse 9, where the first statement of God the Father ends with the closed quote it is spoken to the Son. Verse 10 begins with the conjunction "and" connecting the next quotation. There is no change of the subject speaking - the Father or the object spoken to - the Son. God the Father is still addressing the Son to the end of verse 12. You are correct stating that Psalm 102:25-27 is attributed to YHWH, Jehovah God and to Him alone. Your own Bible translation properly uses the English grammatical construction and yet, because of the bias of one's tradition, one does not see the clear and plain English language right before their eyes. I only ask that you would reread this section and reconsider your assumption according to what is written.

As you can see the personal pronouns are referring to verse 8 - the Son and without controversy the Son is Jesus Christ.

Your response: Facts of reality prove Jesus is not God. Jesus proves it when he calls the Father( one who sent him-John 5:30)John 17:3) The only true God. Either Jesus is lying or trinity teachers are lying. We all must choose who we believe. Paul believed Jesus-1Cor 8:6

You evaded any attempt to directly address the texts written in your own NWT. Even though you recognize that Ps.102 is speaking about YHWH and see that Heb.1 assigns the same attributes to Jesus you cannot reconcile God's Word and your Unitarian dogma. So instead of exegeting the text, as is normal in a debate, you must run down rabbit-trails with, what is seen by all as, absurd, irrelevant word-salad demonstrating that your bias controls your mind to the extent that you blind yourself to what you believe to be God's written revelation about Himself in your own version.

So here, now after 2 months and several entreaties, you can recover some dignity and compare and examine these text in an exegetical manner then give us your assessment.

Jesus has all the attributes. He is his Fathers exact-IMAGE-- an IMAGE is never the real thing. God taught Jesus everything, gives him everything, created all other things through him. So yes he has all the attributes except he was created--He tells you so at Prov 8--clearly shows how painful it was for God to create him directly.

 

[kjw47]

Acts 17:10-11 (ASV) 10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Beroea: who when they were come thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 Now these were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of the mind, examining the Scriptures daily, whether these things were so.

Nice try, but, these aren't the "teachers" who "keep making sure", it's the people who the teachers are teaching. Paul and Silas were doing the teaching, the Bereans were doing the "making sure all things". Which means, the Bereans did not just blindly accept what the Apostles taught, they "kept making sure".

The teachers made sure as well--In Peters book--super apostles teaching fornication was ok. Peter corrected the error. Paul corrected Peter on an occasion. Titus left behind to correct error teachings that got in. What is the bottom line--They looked and found and corrected--that is what the real teachers that belong to Jesus do.
Like in 1975--The GB are blamed for saying HAR-mageddon was coming by then--They never said that--a man( speaker) at a convention said it and it spread.

 

[savagewind]

@kjw47 You should probably consider this, please.
You say that without Jesus coming and dying that God's will could not be done.

Now it seems as though the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that without the faithful and discreet slave who they believe is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses God's will for them could not be done.

 

[kjw47]

I think you meant to say that Jesus opened the way for God's will to be accomplished.
Lots of souls did the will of God before Jesus came. How else would he have come and been listened to?

I agree that without what Jesus is doing there would be no reconciliation with Jehovah.

Yes I believe all through mortal history there were true followers- But the ransom sacrifice is what opened the door to salvation.

 

[savagewind]

Yes I believe all through mortal history there were true followers- But the ransom sacrifice is what opened the door to salvation.

Salvation and doing God's will are not the same. You said that without the "ransom sacrifice" God's will could not be done.

People should do God's will without or without a reward.

 

[kjw47]

@kjw47 You should probably consider this, please.
You say that without Jesus coming and dying that God's will could not be done.

Now it seems as though the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that without the faithful and discreet slave who they believe is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses God's will for them could not be done.

I didn't say Gods will couldn't be done--all through history it was done by some--99% have been mislead from the start.
Todays biggest problem is that they will not listen to Jesus over dogmas taught to teachers in colleges. They like having their ears tickled.

 

[kjw47]

Salvation and doing God's will are not the same. You said that without the "ransom sacrifice" God's will could not be done.

People should do God's will without or without a reward.

I said no one could get salvation if the ransom sacrifice didn't occur--it opened the door for all--Yet only FEW will find the road Jesus said. It was Gods will as soon as the rebellion occurred.

 

[savagewind]

I didn't say Gods will couldn't be done--all through history it was done by some--99% have been mislead from the start.
Todays biggest problem is that they will not listen to Jesus over dogmas taught to teachers in colleges. They like having their ears tickled.

Yes you did say it. Here:

It did. Jesus death opened the door to those living now to do his Fathers will( Matt 7:21) to gain entrance into his kingdom. Jesus teaches it will be Few.

If Jesus made the way to do the Father's will then it means that before Jesus it wasn't done.

 

[savagewind]

I said no one could get salvation if the ransom sacrifice didn't occur--it opened the door for all--Yet only FEW will find the road Jesus said. It was Gods will as soon as the rebellion occurred.

I don't think you mean "find". It seems to me that you believe the governing body found it. The JWs accept what they found. That is 100% fact.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The false Jesus being taught in most religions claiming to be Christian, are not counted as doing anything correct.

Only by your organization! To say that people outside your org or God Himself counts "most religions" as "not doing anything correct" is very far fetched, to say the least. You're just ASSUMING!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It did. Jesus death opened the door to those living now to do his Fathers will( Matt 7:21) to gain entrance into his kingdom. Jesus teaches it will be Few.

I'm guessing you believe the "few" will be only the dwindling 8 million or so witnesses?

 

[kjw47]

Yes you did say it. Here:
If Jesus made the way to do the Father's will then it means that before Jesus it wasn't done.

The Israelites were Gods chosen before Jesus came. But they fell over and over. Not all but most.

 

[kjw47]

I don't think you mean "find". It seems to me that you believe the governing body found it. The JWs accept what they found. That is 100% fact.

Yes JW,s are very wise to learn and apply this wise council-Luke 10:16--If they accept and listen to Jesus' appointed teachers, its just like listening to Jesus and God--or vica versa. If one rejects Jesus appointed teachers they are rejecting Jesus and God as well. Jesus was correct--Few listen to them, Few found the road.

 

[kjw47]

Only by your organization! To say that people outside your org or God Himself counts "most religions" as "not doing anything correct" is very far fetched, to say the least. You're just ASSUMING!

You misunderstand--One can do 99% correct, yet still be mislead to partake off the table of demons( 1Corinthians 10:21)--God basically said there--no matter what you think you do of Gods will and learn his will, it counts for 0 if one partakes off the table of demons. Satan has 99% partaking by him and his teachers transforming into angels of light( 2Corinthians 11:12-15)-- They make it all look --loving, sharing, whatever it takes.
Todays world-2Timothy 3) is worse than Sodom and Gommorah. All the pagan practices spread throughout the earth at the tower of Babel. Still alive to this day to God. Satan had all beat centuries before they were born--The only way to win---This is my son the beloved in whom I am well pleased--LISTEN TO HIM.

 

[kjw47]

I'm guessing you believe the "few" will be only the dwindling 8 million or so witnesses?

I have studied Jesus carefully in different bibles--All his teachings are the same barring--Earth or Land at Matt 5:5--- They tried to hide the truth Jesus taught--The Earth is where the meek(great multitude) stay on forever. Psalm 37:9-11,29)
I posted 6 teachings from him a couple days ago. His teachings show the JW teachers--LISTEN TO HIM. Listening and obeying every teaching he gave is proof of ones love for Jesus. Many are called--Few make it. ( Matt 7:21-23)

 

[savagewind]

You misunderstand--One can do 99% correct, yet still be mislead to partake off the table of demons( 1Corinthians 10:21)-.

How do you know that the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses isn't 99% correct, but 1% eating at the demon's table?

 

[savagewind]

I know why you @kjw47 and other Jehovah's Witnesses can not realize that the governing body can be 1% wrong and so can't win. You have invested so much time and heart in believing in them that you can't admit that you may be wrong.
If you are wrong you know what will happen to you. Don't you?