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[ Jesus in not God with a logicl proof ]

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Now , have you heard about a god worships another god ?
No, not really. I haven't met a god in real life yet, so I can't really say.

is it possible to be a god worships god ???? think deeply about it ...
I guess they could. Some humans worship some other human, like a king or whatever, so if the supernatural world contains millions of gods, spreading and multiplying like humans, then perhaps they have a king-god that they all worship.

.... jesus is messenger from Allah , he is messenger like noah and solomon and mohamed .....
You mean your logic is based on the suppositions that gods can't worship gods? Well, I'm not sure about that premise. You perhaps need to back it up more.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
No, not really. I haven't met a god in real life yet, so I can't really say.


I guess they could. Some humans worship some other human, like a king or whatever, so if the supernatural world contains millions of gods, spreading and multiplying like humans, then perhaps they have a king-god that they all worship.


You mean your logic is based on the suppositions that gods can't worship gods? Well, I'm not sure about that premise. You perhaps need to back it up more.
This thread is 6 years old. He's not going to reply.
 

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
This thread is 6 years old. He's not going to reply.
Wooops. Didn't see that. I hate when that happens.

In another forum they have a system (automated even I think) that when a thread is over a certain age, it will be locked down. I will find the suggestion box thread and post that idea for this forum too. It would remove mistakes like these.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Wooops. Didn't see that. I hate when that happens.

In another forum they have a system (automated even I think) that when a thread is over a certain age, it will be locked down. I will find the suggestion box thread and post that idea for this forum too. It would remove mistakes like these.
That would be a great idea! :)
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
No, not really. I haven't met a god in real life yet, so I can't really say.


I guess they could. Some humans worship some other human, like a king or whatever, so if the supernatural world contains millions of gods, spreading and multiplying like humans, then perhaps they have a king-god that they all worship.


You mean your logic is based on the suppositions that gods can't worship gods? Well, I'm not sure about that premise. You perhaps need to back it up more.

I am interested to know your elaboration though.
 

ukok102nak

Active Member
See the thing is, I DON'T want to debate. I see no point in it. No matter how much I quote or show you, you will not believe. I, along with many Muslims on here, show you how awful your Arabic is. And yet you continue. You don't care for what the Qur'an says, you only care for what you want it to say.

~;> agree
as far as what we've notice that someone is trying hard to debate
about
a system of biblical interpretation taught by man
or
trying to debate his own opinion
thats why
that someone is forcing you to quote a scripture from Qur'an
the same thing those triune god worshippers do
and
remember always
that those triune god worshippers are not even christians
and their belief were also different from the catholics and protestants
and unto any religious belief
coz they were the remaining worshippers of the old babylon

as what we've said before
that someone is forcing you to quote a scripture from Qur'an
where it seems that someone don't care for what the Qur'an says
as his argument is non-existent
from what the scripture says


:ty:




godbless
unto all always
 

whirlingmerc

Well-Known Member
The Name Of Allah


First hello everyone

Now , have you heard about a god worships another god ?

is it possible to be a god worships god ???? think deeply about it ...

.... jesus is messenger from Allah , he is messenger like noah and solomon and mohamed .....



Jesus is like God's ideal image of himself who is also a person
so its more like different parts of the Trinity loving and valuing eachotehr
which by the way makes love, community and communication first class attributes of God in a Trinitarian view

I see no problem with it

But it appears Jesus is God from many parts of the Old Testament
Zechariah: A Dreamscape Pointing to a Man Called Branch
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Is Jesus God, sure Jesus is God.

Jesus is God Himself in the flesh body of Jesus.
Look back the Indians in America, would take the deer skins and conceal themselves inside, so the deers would think they are one of them. Take the Buffalo skins, Indians would take the Buffalo skins to conceal themselves inside, So the Buffalo's would see them as one of them.

Take the skin of a sheep or goat. People would take that skin of the sheep or goat and put it on to conceal themselves inside. So the sheep or goat would see them as one of them.

So in like manner God made himself a body of flesh to conceal himself inside, so that God could become one of us. In the body of Jesus.
 
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Magus

Active Member
Since Allah or Mr God doesn't have a meat suit for himself , he needs to impregnate virgins, so he can jump into the meat and do wacky things like getting nailed to a piece of wood with his testicles hanging below.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Some people have absolutely zero class. Others are embarrassingly juvenile. Some are actually both.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Muhammad not messenger with logical proof.

Jesus spoke about false prophets shall rise, and then Jesus said speaking about false prophets, said if they say he is in the desert go not forth. Jesus spoke these words 600 yrs before muhammad was born. Matthew 24:24-26.

It has come down in the Muslims q'uran that Muhammad lived in a cave in the Arabian Desert. Go Figure. False prophet.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The Name Of Allah


First hello everyone

Now , have you heard about a god worships another god ?

is it possible to be a god worships god ???? think deeply about it ...

.... jesus is messenger from Allah , he is messenger like noah and solomon and mohamed .....

Jesus is not like Noah and Solomon.
God is Jesus in human body Jesus.

God made souls and encased them in human bodys.
God made human body and encased Himself in human body Jesus.
 
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McBell

Resident Sourpuss
There are many scriptural proofs that not only prove the Jesus was indeed the Son of God, but that He also was God that Muslims deny.

Jesus Said:

(Matthew 16:13-19) When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? 14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. 15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

(John 14:6-9) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

(John 8:56-59) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

This verse says it all because in Exodus 3:14 it was God that called Himself the "I AM"

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

God Said:

(John 3:17) And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The Archangel Gabriel Said:

(Luke 1:26-35) And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? 35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

John the Baptist Said:

(John 1:32-34) And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

The Apostles Said:

(John 20:26-28) And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

So, not only did He recognize His as just the Son of God, but as God. Notice Jesus did not correct him.

(John 20:31) But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

They that Crucified Him Said:

(Matthew 27:35-43) And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots. 36 And sitting down they watched him there; 37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. 38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left. 39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads, 40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross. 41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said, 42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him. 43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

(Matthew 27:54) Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Anytime a Muslim tries to tell you that Jesus never said "I am the Son of God", ask them why they don't apply the same test to the Quran about Mohammed. Mohammed never says in the Quran the words "I am a prophet".

Without Jesus, there is no provision of salvation. Allah offers no such promise. Muslims believe Allah will be merciful to them based on his evaluation of their performance. But salvation is never sure, and is never a promise.
Under what circumstances did Jesus refer to himself in the third person as opposed to the circumstances Jesus referred to himself in first person?
 

lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
If a human has a baby, that baby is a human. If a dog has a baby, that baby is a dog. If a cat has a baby, that baby is a cat. If God has a son, that son is a God. Jesus is called the Son of God so he must be a God. The only logical way to see it.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
If a human has a baby, that baby is a human. If a dog has a baby, that baby is a dog. If a cat has a baby, that baby is a cat. If God has a son, that son is a God. Jesus is called the Son of God so he must be a God. The only logical way to see it.
This only works if god is bound by the logic you impose upon him.

Most theists I know and have talked to allude to the idea that god is not bound by logic.
For if god was bound by logic, god could not, in fact, be god.
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
This only works if god is bound by the logic you impose upon him.

Most theists I know and have talked to allude to the idea that god is not bound by logic.
For if god was bound by logic, god could not, in fact, be god.
Kinda reminds me of what the New Testaments says:

"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord." 1 Corinthians 1:27-31
 
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