This is where many today become confused, thinking the nation of Israel is Israel. It isn't.
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This is where many today become confused, thinking the nation of Israel is Israel. It isn't.
What about this?I was just asking a question, not baiting. i only ask because the entire jewish nation witnessed the revelation at Mt. Sinai. If i were to accept that jesus was resurrected i could still tell you that there were others who too were resurrected, people who did sin.
I hope my statement afterwards made it clear what was meant. In scripture, we now think in terms of Spiritual Israel. The nation of Israel is not part of the picture any longer. Of course, the events in the Middle East may still be fulfilling some of the prophecies.
It's just that Christianity makes no sense and is just a tiny bit offensive towards the Jews. It took their scriptures and twisted the hell out of them to produce what they wanted it to say. They read the Tanach in light of the Christian testament instead of reading the Christian testament in light of the Tanach.I hope my statement afterwards made it clear what was meant. In scripture, we now think in terms of Spiritual Israel. The nation of Israel is not part of the picture any longer. Of course, the events in the Middle East may still be fulfilling some of the prophecies.
I was just asking a question, not baiting. i only ask because the entire jewish nation witnessed the revelation at Mt. Sinai. If i were to accept that jesus was resurrected i could still tell you that there were others who too were resurrected, people who did sin.
What was the purpose of his resurrection?Not resurrected like Christ was. Where angels were sitting in and on the tomb announcing the Messiah as risen from the dead.
What is the jewish nation then if they have no connection to the "spiritual israel"?I hope my statement afterwards made it clear what was meant. In scripture, we now think in terms of Spiritual Israel. The nation of Israel is not part of the picture any longer. Of course, the events in the Middle East may still be fulfilling some of the prophecies.
What was the purpose of his resurrection?
Can you give me examples of things that were kept and changed perhaps?
Good question.Perhaps i should rephrase my question for you then, why is the old testament included in the bible?
There was one covenant for the Jews and another for the rest of the world which came from the Jews.It is written in the Tanach, (Psalms 105:8) "HE remembered HIS covenant forever" does this not mean that the laws brought down will never change?
To show them that could not live up to his expectations.If mosaic law was so merciless then why would G-D give it to the jews to begin with?
If find this a fascinating assertion, and I would love to see it documented and assented to by Christians on this site. If that's the case, though, the initial question remains because of verses like Ex. 21:12-18, 28 and 22:15, 17 and 28. If the point is that one distills the mishpatim down to some generalized underlying idea, then one is not actually abiding by the mishpatim, but by that supposed universal rule. It also begs the question "who calls a particular rule a mishpat vs. a chok when the text does not explicitly label, and when the text does, who decides if the mishpat is the rule or the adjudication of a specific case?" Is allowing slavery reasonable (21:2-11)?Yes, because homosexuality is called a 'moral law', while fabric mixing has nothing to do with morality. The laws that Christians don't follow are called in Judaism 'Chukim', and this word is applied to laws that seem to serve no logical or reasonable purpose, such as kashrut, not mixing fabrics and so on. The Christians follow the laws called 'Mishpatim' which are laws that make sense, such as not committing adultery, not murdering etc. There is also a third category called 'Edot'. Christians were never told to follow the chukim laws, but were told to follow the moral/mishpatim laws. Paul makes this very clear, and Jesus also at times (depending on a given interpretation). Because most converts were goyim, the Jerusalem Church decided they need not follow Torah law, but basically a form of Noahide law, because the Torah was never meant to be observed by the goyim.
It is a complex issue and the Christian way of categorising the laws differ slightly from the Jewish way iirc. I remember reading in the back of my Common Prayer book the XXXIX Articles of Faith that one need only follow 'the laws which are called moral'. Still, it's not an issue I'm particularly knowledgeable about and Christianity is far too fragmented to appear to give a unified/coherent answer at this point.If find this a fascinating assertion, and I would love to see it documented and assented to by Christians on this site. If that's the case, though, the initial question remains because of verses like Ex. 21:12-18, 28 and 22:15, 17 and 28. If the point is that one distills the mishpatim down to some generalized underlying idea, then one is not actually abiding by the mishpatim, but by that supposed universal rule. It also begs the question "who calls a particular rule a mishpat vs. a chok when the text does not explicitly label, and when the text does, who decides if the mishpat is the rule or the adjudication of a specific case?" Is allowing slavery reasonable (21:2-11)?
Yes and yes. It's part of the OT and it's in the text of the NT.Is the new testament quoting the old or is it written as part of the text of the new?
I politely suggest that you do a little more research on how the Jewish courts at the time worked and how difficult it was to convict a person.To show them that could not live up to his expectations.
You really think stoning people for cursing their parents isn't merciless?
Yep. NoachidismThere was one covenant for the Jews and another for the rest of the world which came from the Jews.
Well, it shall be admitted that a surface view of the teachings may seem confusing when all of a sudden in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Micah, etc. Israel should be understood as Spiritual Israel.Christianity makes no sense and is just a tiny bit offensive towards the Jews
What are the Russians, Irish, British, German?What is the jewish nation then if they have no connection to the "spiritual israel"?