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New Testament - can someone help please

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
What motivating factors were there to write down and bring together an accepted, true version of what took place in New Testament times?

Are you wanting someone to write a school assignment for you?
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Since the Bible itself says "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." ....it seems obvious that God wanted the ministry of his son recorded, and since Jesus himself wrote nothing down, it was up to human secretaries (mostly his apostles) to record his teachings for the Christians who would follow.

Roman 15:4 says..."For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction, so that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope." Jesus knew that hard times were to come, so the scriptures were also to bring comfort and hope for the future to his disciples.

Hope that helps.
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Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Since the Bible itself says "All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." ....it seems obvious that God wanted the ministry of his son recorded, and since Jesus himself wrote nothing down, it was up to human secretaries (mostly his apostles) to record his teachings for the Christians who would follow.
Could you list the Scripture in existence when the verses in Red were written? We know it would include the various Torahs in circulation, but what else?
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Could you list the Scripture in existence when the verses in Red were written? We know it would include the various Torahs in circulation, but what else?

The only scriptures in existence when that verse was written were the Hebrew scriptures, often quoted by the Christians writers. These would be the Pentateuch, the Prophets, and the K'tuvim (Psalms, Proverbs, Job Ecclesiastes, Daniel etc,)

Berei**** - Genesis - Chapter 22 (Parshah Vayeira)

Edit: censored part in **** is nothing to do with English swear words.
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Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
What motivating factors were there to write down and bring together an accepted, true version of what took place in New Testament times?

One would suppose the priests during King James time were motivated to please the King and also perhaps to reject gospels they personally felt the didn't like???
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
One would suppose the priests during King James time were motivated to please the King and also perhaps to reject gospels they personally felt the didn't like???
It was done by a collection of bishops from different areas and it took over 1/2 century to decide the canon.
 

Magus

Active Member
They are four contradictory gospels, which Jesus is the real Jesus, Mark's ? Matthews ? Luke's or John.

Were-as the Old Testament, as one narrative for Moses, one major one for King David, so why does Jesus need 4 , that alone is why NT is bunk.

Try a better book.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
What motivating factors were there to write down and bring together an accepted, true version of what took place in New Testament times?

The growing knowledge that the Kingdom would not be realized in their lifetime and the importance of collecting and passing on to generations that followed, these faith testimonies.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
They are four contradictory gospels, which Jesus is the real Jesus, Mark's ? Matthews ? Luke's or John.

They present different portraits of the one Jesus. The individual authors addressed the need of the particular community they were writing for. The sacred writers interpreted Jesus words and deeds according to the needs of that community, they preached and made use of various modes of speaking which were suited to their own purpose and the mentality of their listeners.
 

Magus

Active Member
They present different portraits of the one Jesus. The individual authors addressed the need of the particular community they were writing for. The sacred writers interpreted Jesus words and deeds according to the needs of that community, they preached and made use of various modes of speaking which were suited to their own purpose and the mentality of their listeners.

The need to rewrite Mark's Gospel , over and over again, into Matthew and Luke, each revision becoming more and more aesthetically Jewish and Septuagint-like, stresses how desperate they were at propagating.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
The need to rewrite Mark's Gospel , over and over again, into Matthew and Luke, each revision becoming more and more aesthetically Jewish and Septuagint-like, stresses how desperate they were at propagating.

Its not a question of rewriting, but of seeking the earliest layers that ultimately compiled the gospel. That and the need to understand the author's intent in the narrative chosen to convey it. Matthew and Luke both had knowledge of Mark and made use of it. Within the Gospels there is a theology and a Christology at work.
 

Magus

Active Member
Its not a question of rewriting, but of seeking the earliest layers that ultimately compiled the gospel. That and the need to understand the author's intent in the narrative chosen to convey it. Matthew and Luke both had knowledge of Mark and made use of it. Within the Gospels there is a theology and a Christology at work.

The repetitive demigod birth story and the pointless chronologically contradicting bloodlines
in Matthew 1 and Luke 3:28 , why bother writing fiction like that, what does it add to Mark, the allusion of historicity , Why people include Luke & Matthew in the New Testament is beyond me.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
in Matthew 1 and Luke 3:28 , why bother writing fiction like that

To make their point, which is not to record an accurate chronology, but to answer the question of who Jesus is/was in relation to faith. That is the purpose of writing the Gospels, so that 'you may have faith', they are testimonies in faith.

Why people include Luke & Matthew in the New Testament is beyond me.

It serves that Christological purpose, which answers the question from what point was Jesus understood as the Son of God. Mk portrays Jesus God' son at his baptism, Mt and Lk it is at birth, John, is pre existent.
 
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