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spirit of antichrist is in the world today

kjw47

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I would like to know if @kjw47 believes that the Stock Market isn't of the World or if he believes the
Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses does not partake of it.


Each individual on earth with the usage of their own free will chooses the path they take. They stand alone at judgement. Gods elite spiritual king David had sexual relations with another mans wife, then sent the man to his death to the front lines of war to keep her.
Peter lied about knowing Jesus, after all he witnessed Jesus do. The rest ran and hid. Anyone can fall. Its important to recognize it and repent. And stand back up.
 

kjw47

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Again,

*** w50 11/15 p. 462 Fraudulent Religious Relics ***
All error and lies are of the Devil and are certainly a great reproach and dishonor to God.

There's no way around it, your teachers are lead by satan too, because they make ERRORS!



What year was that???Its 2017 now. Where are we? God doesn't hold ones errors against them if they repent, so neither does a follower of Jesus--corrections is the same as repenting per-se
 

kjw47

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Really? Think again! I am a governing body member. I am one of the 144,000. Is it not what they say? Is it not true that all governing body members have professed to being one of the 144,000?
If I believed I was one of the 144,000 I would need to think that I am standing strong. How so? Just read it!

I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, Revelation 7:4

There before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. Revelation 14:1-5

You say, "no JW ever thinks they [sic] are standing strong." Are the governing members Jehovah's Witnesses?


Have you ever read the bible? Over and over in the ot the elite spiritual kings of Israel apostocised and mislead the flock. Not all appointed remain standing.
David was Gods anointed king--He screwed another mans wife and sent her husband to his death--Solomon, Gods anointed king--fell to false god worship because he took foreign wives( God told Israel not to do that)--its the main reason they fell over and over in the ot. Does one actually believe that satan doesn't attack Jesus seed( anointed) relentlessly? They are imperfect mortals, not all have stood.
 

kjw47

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How is it that any of the144,000 does not know that he stands strong for Jehovah?



The bible warns--do not ever think you are standing strong. Everyday is a battle--Satan rules this world. Its not so easy to try and live righteous in a world ruled by satan. Its way worse now than in Sodom and Gommorah. Hollywood,music, video games= Immoral sex, violence, the occult---3 things God hates. 99% are being mislead.
 

savagewind

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Premium Member
You are correct. I choose to believe the GB( Luke 10:16)--They have proved with 0 doubt, that truth is exactly what they want by making corrections to bad teachings. Both their own and 1750 years of others. And they make sure--year after year that every utterance from God is gone over, and over--How else can one apply this super important truth from Jesus if they don't do exactly that?----- Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God. --- Jesus didn't say--if we want to bother. He was saying we must do that. He meant it-He meant every teaching.
That you know they go over and over means you are a governing body member. How else would you know?
Also, that they must go over and over a conclusion just means that they are not listening to what the Spirit says to the congregation.
 

savagewind

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Judas was one--He fell. Satan attacks Jesus seed relentlessly. Its his #1 job.
In the ot, Solomon fell at the end to false god worship--Gods elite spiritual king--None should think they are standing strong. All need improvements in many areas. Many know how simple it is to fall. The hard part is standing, in this satan ruled system of things. If one does fall, they should get back up as quickly as possible.
Judas was not one of the 144,000. Who told you that?
 

savagewind

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Each individual on earth with the usage of their own free will chooses the path they take. They stand alone at judgement. Gods elite spiritual king David had sexual relations with another mans wife, then sent the man to his death to the front lines of war to keep her.
Peter lied about knowing Jesus, after all he witnessed Jesus do. The rest ran and hid. Anyone can fall. Its important to recognize it and repent. And stand back up.
I understand. But then, they can't say they are no part of the world! It's a lie!
They haven't endured to the end yet so they can't rightly say they are of the 144,000. It's a lie!
How many have died without confessing their lies?
 

savagewind

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Have you ever read the bible? Over and over in the ot the elite spiritual kings of Israel apostocised and mislead the flock. Not all appointed remain standing.
David was Gods anointed king--He screwed another mans wife and sent her husband to his death--Solomon, Gods anointed king--fell to false god worship because he took foreign wives( God told Israel not to do that)--its the main reason they fell over and over in the ot. Does one actually believe that satan doesn't attack Jesus seed( anointed) relentlessly? They are imperfect mortals, not all have stood.
Right! But, that they have not stood PROOVES they are not the 144,000! You are using David as an example, but your real teachers say David IS NOT one of the 144,000. Do you not know that? Have you read the Watchtower?
 

savagewind

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The bible warns--do not ever think you are standing strong. Everyday is a battle--Satan rules this world. Its not so easy to try and live righteous in a world ruled by satan. Its way worse now than in Sodom and Gommorah. Hollywood,music, video games= Immoral sex, violence, the occult---3 things God hates. 99% are being mislead.
You are not listening. It's not as though I didn't know that, but, boy oh boy, I am just glad that I can laugh about it.

People who Satan can mislead ARE NOT OF THE 144,000.
 

savagewind

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Somewhere in the reality, there are 144,000 souls who stand with Christ. YOU have been taught that it is possible to be one and then not be one. I just want you to know that and to think about it.

I trust that one definition of the 144,000 is a soul who had stood faithful to God.

Is there anything wrong with that definition?

If it is right, then a person who doesn't stand firm wasn't of the 144,000.

It really should be as easy as one and one is two, and I do not know why nobody gets it.
 
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Rick B

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I back my words with scripture. The bible has one truth. Your versions are filled with errors. Catholicism is responsible for the errors in your translations. All who follow trinitarianism, put their eternal lives on Catholicism translating. They brought in statues, icons, graven images. All condemned in the OT. They called it the dark ages for a reason. Their translating followed Catholicism council dogmas( untruths) as well as the pagan additives off the table of demons associated with Christmas and Easter. I believe 100% its not a wise path to walk trusting in catholicism translating. Facts prove their errors.

You know very well that I presented the NWT - your bible version - or maybe you forgot or didn't see them or something.

So, I'll give you, once again, another opportunity to go to your version and directly engage these two texts and give an explanation as to how they relate to your theology.

Psalm 102:24-27
24 I said: “O my God, Do not do away with me in the middle of my life, You whose years span all generations.+25 Long ago you laid the foundations of the earth, And the heavens are the work of your hands.+26 They will perish, but you will remain; Just like a garment they will all wear out. Just like clothing you will replace them, and they will pass away.27 But you are the same, and your years will never end.+

This is relating the eternal and immutable (unchanging) nature of YHWH.

Hebrews 1:8-12
8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne+ forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness.* 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you+ with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”+ 10 And: “At the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

"about the SON", He (God v.5) speaks throughout these verses that "At the beginning, O Lord, you (the Son) laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the works of your hands. 11 They will perish, but you will remain; and just like a garment, they will all wear out, 12 and you will wrap them up just as a cloak, as a garment, and they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will never come to an end.”+

Your own NWT demonstrates that the Son (Jesus) is revealed in the New Testament as eternal, immutable YHWH in the Old Testament.

As an aside, Your claim that Michael the Archangel became Jesus is also refuted in the next two verses of your own version:

13 But about which of the angels has he ever said: “Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet”?+14 Are they not all spirits for holy service,*+ sent out to minister for those who are going to inherit salvation?

Echoed in Psalm 110 Jehovah declared to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand+Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.”+
and
Ps.132: 5 Until I find a place for Jehovah, A fine residence* for the Powerful One of Jacob.”+ 6 Look! We heard about it in Ephʹra·thah;+We found it in the fields of the forest.+ 7 Let us come into his residence;*+Let us bow down at his footstool.+

The logical - Biblical answer to this rhetorical question of verse 13 is of course NONE. Including Michael.
 
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savagewind

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@kjw47 I think you have to agree with me that every one of the 144,000 is a soul who has to "endure to the end".
You have been taught that a person can be one of the144,000 but not endure to the end.
I understand that you say he WAS one of the 144,000 until he proved unfaithful.
But, unfaithfulness IS NOT a sign of any of the 144,000.

Can anyone see that the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses is ruining minds in the name of goodness?
 

kjw47

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Satan is not a dead mortal! Satan and his demons are who God created hell for. Why would God create a 'dirt, earthly grave' for a spirit creature?



Sheol=Hebrew=The grave=Hades-Greek= The grave=Hell-English--- Hell is not where satan is going to. He will be destroyed in the lake of fire.
 

kjw47

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That you know they go over and over means you are a governing body member. How else would you know?
Also, that they must go over and over a conclusion just means that they are not listening to what the Spirit says to the congregation.


I said they make sure--the flock is taught every utterance from God--over and over--because they listen to Jesus.
 
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