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spirit of antichrist is in the world today

Rick B

Active Member
Premium Member
That isn't funny.

Whenever you are given something to think about you go back to, "well, THEY do not teach the Trinity".
Can you respond to the actual points given, please?

My experience with @kjw47 is that he refuses to directly engage texts or logical arguments that refute his cult's teaching. He denies, diverts, runs, hides, repeats the same garbage and starts over again. He is brainwashed and implacable.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
Only a haughty heart would actually think and believe they know truth before Jesus' teachers do...their hearts=Jeremiah 17:9

So, for someone to think they know truth from the Bible before your 7 self appointed men, means they have a "haughty heart"?

I guess you don't consider this statement to be of a "haughty heart"?

*** w09 2/15 p. 27 par. 11 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***
11 Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave

God out of--LOVE--created all beings to live forever,

And your god is just going to annihilate those beings he "created to live forever"?
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
He didn't want robots so he gave all free will.

But wait, don't all witnesses, all over the world, who claim to be the "true worshipers" of God all think the same way, believe the same things, act the same way, dress the same way, go to meetings at the same time, study the same material, all go door to door? Sounds like a bunch of robots to me!
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
God warned all--GET OUT OF HER( Babylon the great=worldwide false religions)--

This is where you are being deceived, it's not, "Babylon the great= worldwide false "RELIGIONS", it's worldwide "RELIGION".

33,000 religions claiming to be Christian over the last 1750 years--do not have a clue--WHY? They do not have Jesus. Every one of them claim to get holy spirit. Yet are a divided house that will not stand-Mark 3:24-26

Your "real teachers" think they're slick and have deceived every rank and file witness. You see, they get by with the claim of "33,000 religions" that doesn't include the witnesses because they claim to be God's earthly "ORGANIZATION", but it is still a religion, still part of Christendom and there are 33,001 religions!

Matthew 12:25-28 (ESV Strong's) 25 Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. 26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27 And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. 28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

If you read that verse in context with the rest, you will see Jesus wasn't talking about everyone thinking the exact same way, He's talking about people turning against themselves, just like witnesses do, they cast their own people out.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
all errors found are corrected by the JW teachers.

If your "real teachers" are the ONLY ones that have the "truth", there shouldn't be any errors!

Why would God send a spirit creature to a DIRT grave?

Jesus was mortal while on earth--Hebrews 2:7-9-- made LOWER than the angels= mortal.
No one has a separate spirit being inside of themselves--Soul translates--breath( breath of life makes one alive)--the bible teaches all animals and fish became living souls.

Again, you avoid the question being asked with nonsense. Just answer the question please,

Why would God send a "spirit creature" to a DIRT grave?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I would like to know if @kjw47 believes that the Stock Market isn't of the World or if he believes the
Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses does not partake of it.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I do not know how people can be so stupid.

If the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses make money in the stock market they are
1. Friends of the World and
2. A part of the World.

They say they are not so..................OMG............could they be lying?

Revelation 21:8
Verse Concepts

"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

Proverbs 12:22
Verse Concepts

Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD, But those who deal faithfully are His delight.

John 8:44
Verse Concepts

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

12 Bible verses about Liars
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
My experience with @kjw47 is that he refuses to directly engage texts or logical arguments that refute his cult's teaching. He denies, diverts, runs, hides, repeats the same garbage and starts over again. He is brainwashed and implacable.

They just have a different set of standards, rules and reasoning's for themselves! Just like kjw47 admits, his "real teachers" make ERRORS, but since they correct them, it's ok that his "real teachers" make ERRORS. But, for everyone else it's this,

*** w50 11/15 p. 462 Fraudulent Religious Relics ***
"All" error and lies are of the Devil and are certainly a great reproach and dishonor to God.(emphasis mine)

His "real teachers" teach that "ALL" error is of the devil, except for theirs.
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
The JW teachers have proved that's exactly what they do and make correction to errors.

Again,

*** w50 11/15 p. 462 Fraudulent Religious Relics ***
All error and lies are of the Devil and are certainly a great reproach and dishonor to God.

There's no way around it, your teachers are lead by satan too, because they make ERRORS!
 

djhwoodwerks

Well-Known Member
You mean like these FACTS?

***g22 11/1 p.333 The Kingdom Class***
Bible prophecy
shows that the Lord was due to appear for the second time in the year 1874. Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that he did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable. All true watchers are familiar with these facts, as set forth in the Scriptures and explained in the interpretation by the Lord's special servant.

That quote is from the November 1, 1922 Watchtower, page 333. Look it up for yourself. Those are "FACTS" interpreted by the lords "special servant"!

It was INDISPUTABLE FACT that Jesus' second coming was in 1874.

FULFILLED prophecy showed BEYOND A DOUBT that Jesus DID appear in 1874.

All "TRUE" watchers were familiar with those FACTS.

Please tell us, how does an "INDISPUTABLE FACT" change kjw47?
How does "FULFILLED PROPHECY" change kjw47?


Are these the "FACTS" your god allowed his people to believe because it wasn't "the proper time" for them to know the "truth"? And before you say it, the above quote about Jesus' second coming has NOTHING to do with the Trinity!

kjw47, please address this post of mine! You're always saying what your "real teachers" teach are 100% FACT, what about the above FACTS?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
No JW ever thinks they are standing strong.
Really? Think again! I am a governing body member. I am one of the 144,000. Is it not what they say? Is it not true that all governing body members have professed to being one of the 144,000?
If I believed I was one of the 144,000 I would need to think that I am standing strong. How so? Just read it!

I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, Revelation 7:4

There before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads. And I heard a sound from heaven like the roar of rushing waters and like a loud peal of thunder. The sound I heard was like that of harpists playing their harps. And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders. No one could learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they remained virgins. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among mankind and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb. No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless. Revelation 14:1-5

You say, "no JW ever thinks they [sic] are standing strong." Are the governing members Jehovah's Witnesses?
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
YOU choose to believe the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses. You seem to call yourself better than all the people who believe in Jesus Christ first and NOT the governing body.


You are correct. I choose to believe the GB( Luke 10:16)--They have proved with 0 doubt, that truth is exactly what they want by making corrections to bad teachings. Both their own and 1750 years of others. And they make sure--year after year that every utterance from God is gone over, and over--How else can one apply this super important truth from Jesus if they don't do exactly that?----- Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God. --- Jesus didn't say--if we want to bother. He was saying we must do that. He meant it-He meant every teaching.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
It is not possible to be one of the 144,000 and not be standing strong. Honest to God!



Judas was one--He fell. Satan attacks Jesus seed relentlessly. Its his #1 job.
In the ot, Solomon fell at the end to false god worship--Gods elite spiritual king--None should think they are standing strong. All need improvements in many areas. Many know how simple it is to fall. The hard part is standing, in this satan ruled system of things. If one does fall, they should get back up as quickly as possible.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Why are you using John 20:17?

Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"



Trinity religions teach Jesus is God--- So then, how do they explain that God has a God?
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
My experience with @kjw47 is that he refuses to directly engage texts or logical arguments that refute his cult's teaching. He denies, diverts, runs, hides, repeats the same garbage and starts over again. He is brainwashed and implacable.



I back my words with scripture. The bible has one truth. Your versions are filled with errors. Catholicism is responsible for the errors in your translations. All who follow trinitarianism, put their eternal lives on Catholicism translating. They brought in statues, icons, graven images. All condemned in the OT. They called it the dark ages for a reason. Their translating followed Catholicism council dogmas( untruths) as well as the pagan additives off the table of demons associated with Christmas and Easter. I believe 100% its not a wise path to walk trusting in catholicism translating. Facts prove their errors.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
So, for someone to think they know truth from the Bible before your 7 self appointed men, means they have a "haughty heart"?

I guess you don't consider this statement to be of a "haughty heart"?

*** w09 2/15 p. 27 par. 11 They “Keep Following the Lamb” ***
11 Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave



And your god is just going to annihilate those beings he "created to live forever"?


The warning has been in the bible for all to learn and know--Few bother. It isn't Gods fault its their own fault. 100% fact= All who actually love God and his son, applied what Jesus taught--every teaching he gave--Man does not live by bread alone, but by every utterance from God= OT-NT--over and over. Few can be bothered. Some blind guide assured them--you are saved or born again. He does not know.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
But wait, don't all witnesses, all over the world, who claim to be the "true worshipers" of God all think the same way, believe the same things, act the same way, dress the same way, go to meetings at the same time, study the same material, all go door to door? Sounds like a bunch of robots to me!


A mark of the true religion--1Corinthians 1:10--unity of thought, no division. A worldwide brotherhood, unified in LOVE, PEACE, and UNITY. no matter what country or skin color. That is how to become one with God and his son--By living now to do the will of Jesus' Fathers over our own will. Matt 7:21)
Not robots because each individual chooses with their own free will to follow Jesus, robots can not do that.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
If your "real teachers" are the ONLY ones that have the "truth", there shouldn't be any errors!





Again, you avoid the question being asked with nonsense. Just answer the question please,

Why would God send a "spirit creature" to a DIRT grave?


He sent a dead mortal to the grave.
 
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