spirit of antichrist is in the world today

[kjw47]

A lot of people who do not follow christ have walked in your shoes before, know the bible, and lived it. Now they are living a better life with or without god, and without christ.

So, you would have to give them an incentive outside of what they already know that could motivate them to come back.

Saying "god will judge you" for example, is not a motivator to come back to christ. Saying "god loves you" is not a motivator to come back to christ.

These are motivators for you but what about the other person? They know god does not exist and they know because he does not, he cannot judge.

So, what kinds of things can you say (so they connect with someone who does exist) that would motivate them away from the belief they know is true to what you personally believe is true?

(Hint) For sake of conversation, how would you convert someone from their belief to yours when they already know scripture, do not believe in it, do not believe god exist, and is living a faith they know is true for all people as well as themselves?

I have attended different trinity religions in my day in searching for Jesus. These teachers go to the school,s of men and learn--dogma, are paid to teach--dogmas. I believe Jesus teachings prove the JW teachers correct. Facts of Israelite God worship history, proves no trinity ever existed.
All put their eternal life on the line from their translations. Trinity translations teach 2 different Gods.
Here is a teacher of Jesus' explain who God is at 1 Cor 8:6-- There is one God to all the Father.--the period ends who God is.
Jesus directly tells you he has a God his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--but you wont believe him--a serious miscalculation.

 

[kjw47]

WOW! When did you renounce the JW's and embrace the Jewish religion as legit?

The Jewish religion has failed drastically--Matthew 23:37-39--God left the door open, they have outright refused to do verse 39 for over 1975 years. The JW,s are correct, not only do I believe that 100%, I know it 100%

 

[Rick B]

From Moses on up until this very day, in every synagogue and temple they teach, taught, serve and worship--YHVH(Jehovah) a single being God. 0 doubt they had the true living god.
When Jesus attended the synagogues and temples his first 30 years was taught, served and worshipped--YHVH(Jehovah) a single being God.
God did not change, the religion that came out of Rome tried to change him. But FACTS prove their errors. And all the branches did not fix it.

The Jewish religion has failed drastically--Matthew 23:37-39--God left the door open, they have outright refused to do verse 39 for over 1975 years. The JW,s are correct, not only do I believe that 100%, I know it 100%

 

[savagewind]

In the ot when one did certain sins and didn't repent = stoned to death--is this what you would rather have for your family member? They can still repent if they are disfellowshipped. They always point the finger at others when its they who are at fault. It was they by choosing sin that caused the shunning, not the familys fault. Jesus taught that ones members of their own households would become enemies( spiritually)
.

This is so not true! I know about people who are disfellowshipped because they don't believe in the present teaching of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses for which there is 100% FACT that THEY MIGHT CHANGE IT!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I have attended different trinity religions in my day in searching for Jesus. These teachers go to the school,s of men and learn--dogma, are paid to teach--dogmas. I believe Jesus teachings prove the JW teachers correct. Facts of Israelite God worship history, proves no trinity ever existed.

I spoke with many JW. I have had two good friends that were JW before they moved. We had good talks for the two years in my area. They offered me their words and asked me about my faith even was interested in researching it. Another JW who saw me while standing at the bus stop introduced herself to me and asked me about my faith. She didn't say I was wrong, just offered her words. I've been to the Hall sermon once. It's the only sermon that has full bible study as a sermon rather than a separate bible study.

While talking about religion is cool, they didn't give me an incentive to follow their teachings. Telling me "a person needs christ" and other generalizations about what a person needs without knowing them is a huge turn off. After attending Mass for almost seven years and had been a Catholic for four, their obsession over Catholicism and Christodom was a huge turn off too.

Buddhism isn't like that. In my experience, it was more about listening to others, be more humble, and no evangelizing and proselytizing. There is no taking a life involved in regards to one's liberation. What you would call ritual to me is a community of peace.

Now, I read the full bible and I know it teaches outside religions are wrong. I do not believe god exists and if I did, it wouldn't be the christian god.

So what incentive outside the bible, can you give me to follow your faith and not my own? What can you offer me that my new community cannot offer that would cause consequence in this life not just the next?​

All put their eternal life on the line from their translations. Trinity translations teach 2 different Gods.

I don't believe in eternal life. We go through rebirth (nothing dies and nothing just popps into thin air; everything is in a cycle) until we have wisdom of this life and we are liberated and we actually die.

Now, to me, understanding the nature of death to be liberated from the attachment and fear of it is a huge motivator in why I want to follow the teachings of The Buddha.

What can Christ offer me in this life that trumps the teachings of The Buddha's view of liberation, peace, and understanding death-no eternal life?​

Here is a teacher of Jesus' explain who God is at 1 Cor 8:6-- There is one God to all the Father.--the period ends who God is.

I do not believe god exist. What can you teach me about god that would invite me to understand and question whether he exists or not?

I've never questioned god's existence. It never made sense to me to think about it. I wasn't indoctrinated so I was never conflicted with christianty.

So you'd have to use a different approach from someone who has never knew god from the get-go. How would you go about that given I read the book and know christ already?​

Jesus directly tells you he has a God his Father-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--but you wont believe him--a serious miscalculation.

Jesus tells you he has a god, his father. Jesus told me he is the way to his father. The difference between your view and mine is I never believed his father existed. I have no reason to believe in christ in christianity when I do not believe his father exists.

So I am no longer a christian.

So, back to square one. How would you get me (and many people like me) to know god beyond what we already read about "him" in the bible?

 

[savagewind]

They always point the finger at others when its they who are at fault. It was they by choosing sin that caused the shunning, not the familys fault.

Always? To be saying something is always or never is a losing strategy. You will not be gathering any honest hearted people to your group if you continue to call the people who left it "sinning". As a matter of fact, the members of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to know why a person is disfellowshipped.

People really have been disfellowshipped for saying things contrary to what is being taught. For instance, if a JW talks about disbelief in Jesus having been an angel, he or she will be disfellowshipped. If like me, I would talk to other JWs about my belief that the governing body members can not possibly be of the 144,000, I would be disfellowshipped.

They can still repent if they are disfellowshipped.

Should we repent of believing the Bible what we believe is God's way to believe it?

Jesus taught that ones members of their own households would become enemies( spiritually)

I want you to please listen. The reason the gb gives for disfellowshiping a person for saying something different than what they tell JWs to say is that God wants a united brotherhood of believers so when someone speaks contrary to what is being taught what is being said about it is that he or she is causing dissension.

But, in reality, it is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses who are causing dissension by teaching something wrong.

OK?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The teachers who belong to Jesus make sure every utterance from God is learned and taught to the flock to live by daily, year after year, it does not stop.

That's correct, even the ERRORS are taught to the flock, year after year, it does not stop!

It was they by choosing sin that caused the shunning,

1 Corinthians 5:11 (ESV Strong's) 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

I don't see that disagreeing with your "real teachers" as being a reason to be shunned, do you? And I can provide FACT that if a witness does not accept what the "real teachers" say, they will be shunned.

Luke 10:16 teaches one better listen to Jesus' teachers per-se.

Jesus doesn't have arrogant men that claim Jesus and God "completely trust" them

The wages of sin = death. He paid the wages he owed.

Here we go, another witness that has been duped into believing that lie.

"The wages of SIN is death, SIN pays the wage, we RECEIVE the wages, we don't PAY the wage.

You know the verse, "sow SIN, reap DESTRUCTION"? SIN pays the wage of death.

If we PAY the wages OF sin with death, why would Jesus have said,

John 8:24 (ESV Strong's) I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

It wouldn't matter if they died in their sins if their death paid the wage for sin!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Sheol( Hebrew)= Hades( Greek) = Hell( English)--Fact--Sheol-Hades translate--The GRAVE. Thus so does hell. Jesus was in Hades for 3 days-- in his grave. Why would God send him to a firey furnace for 3 days--it was symbolism.

Why would God send a spirit creature to a DIRT grave?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Trinity translations teach 2 different Gods.

John 1:1 (NWT) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. . .

Who teaches "2" different Gods?

 

[Mister Silver]

John 1:1 (NWT) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. . .

Who teaches "2" different Gods?

The bible.

The very first commandment is that one should not have any other gods before the christian god.

Imagine that. The christian god believes other gods exist or else he would not have demanded of his followers that those gods be ignored.

 

[kjw47]

This is so not true! I know about people who are disfellowshipped because they don't believe in the present teaching of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses for which there is 100% FACT that THEY MIGHT CHANGE IT!

Only a haughty heart would actually think and believe they know truth before Jesus' teachers do...their hearts=Jeremiah 17:9

 

[kjw47]

I spoke with many JW. I have had two good friends that were JW before they moved. We had good talks for the two years in my area. They offered me their words and asked me about my faith even was interested in researching it. Another JW who saw me while standing at the bus stop introduced herself to me and asked me about my faith. She didn't say I was wrong, just offered her words. I've been to the Hall sermon once. It's the only sermon that has full bible study as a sermon rather than a separate bible study.

While talking about religion is cool, they didn't give me an incentive to follow their teachings. Telling me "a person needs christ" and other generalizations about what a person needs without knowing them is a huge turn off. After attending Mass for almost seven years and had been a Catholic for four, their obsession over Catholicism and Christodom was a huge turn off too.

Buddhism isn't like that. In my experience, it was more about listening to others, be more humble, and no evangelizing and proselytizing. There is no taking a life involved in regards to one's liberation. What you would call ritual to me is a community of peace.

Now, I read the full bible and I know it teaches outside religions are wrong. I do not believe god exists and if I did, it wouldn't be the christian god.

So what incentive outside the bible, can you give me to follow your faith and not my own? What can you offer me that my new community cannot offer that would cause consequence in this life not just the next?​

I don't believe in eternal life. We go through rebirth (nothing dies and nothing just popps into thin air; everything is in a cycle) until we have wisdom of this life and we are liberated and we actually die.

Now, to me, understanding the nature of death to be liberated from the attachment and fear of it is a huge motivator in why I want to follow the teachings of The Buddha.

What can Christ offer me in this life that trumps the teachings of The Buddha's view of liberation, peace, and understanding death-no eternal life?​

I do not believe god exist. What can you teach me about god that would invite me to understand and question whether he exists or not?

I've never questioned god's existence. It never made sense to me to think about it. I wasn't indoctrinated so I was never conflicted with christianty.

So you'd have to use a different approach from someone who has never knew god from the get-go. How would you go about that given I read the book and know christ already?​

Jesus tells you he has a god, his father. Jesus told me he is the way to his father. The difference between your view and mine is I never believed his father existed. I have no reason to believe in christ in christianity when I do not believe his father exists.

So I am no longer a christian.

So, back to square one. How would you get me (and many people like me) to know god beyond what we already read about "him" in the bible?

God out of--LOVE--created all beings to live forever, never sick, aging, Mortals to live in a garden of paradise( Eden)--he asked them not to do one single thing to have all that for free. He didn't want robots so he gave all free will. Not to choose to sin, but to choose to love him and listen to his advice. The 3 rebels in Eden kicked him in the teeth doing what they did. Satan raised issues against his sovereignty--God chose absolutely correct to allow the issues to be settled once and for all time. later 1/3 of the angels rebelled to have sex with mortal women. So it could have occurred over and over. This way, all rebels will be rooted out. As well if God killed the 3 rebels, no one ever born would have been, the seed would be dead. So well over 6000 years ago, God thought of our right to be born from that seed. We owe it all to him.
God always chooses correctly.

God warned all--GET OUT OF HER( Babylon the great=worldwide false religions)--how will one know unless taught truth?

 

[kjw47]

Always? To be saying something is always or never is a losing strategy. You will not be gathering any honest hearted people to your group if you continue to call the people who left it "sinning". As a matter of fact, the members of the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed to know why a person is disfellowshipped.

People really have been disfellowshipped for saying things contrary to what is being taught. For instance, if a JW talks about disbelief in Jesus having been an angel, he or she will be disfellowshipped. If like me, I would talk to other JWs about my belief that the governing body members can not possibly be of the 144,000, I would be disfellowshipped.

Should we repent of believing the Bible what we believe is God's way to believe it?


I want you to please listen. The reason the gb gives for disfellowshiping a person for saying something different than what they tell JWs to say is that God wants a united brotherhood of believers so when someone speaks contrary to what is being taught what is being said about it is that he or she is causing dissension.

But, in reality, it is the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses who are causing dissension by teaching something wrong.

OK?

If you understand that Luke 10:16--if one rejects Jesus' teachers they are rejecting Jesus and God as well. That is sinning.
Not a single mortal on earth knows a truth before Jesus real teachers do. Haughty hearts think they do.
33,000 religions claiming to be Christian over the last 1750 years--do not have a clue--WHY? They do not have Jesus. Every one of them claim to get holy spirit. Yet are a divided house that will not stand-Mark 3:24-26

The religion that came out of Rome screwed it all up--they screwed up translating to fit false council teachings--The protestants did not have a clue when they used Catholicism translating to translate.
Its a fact--trinity translations teach 2 different Gods.

 

[kjw47]

That's correct, even the ERRORS are taught to the flock, year after year, it does not stop!



1 Corinthians 5:11 (ESV Strong's) 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

I don't see that disagreeing with your "real teachers" as being a reason to be shunned, do you? And I can provide FACT that if a witness does not accept what the "real teachers" say, they will be shunned.



Jesus doesn't have arrogant men that claim Jesus and God "completely trust" them




Here we go, another witness that has been duped into believing that lie.

"The wages of SIN is death, SIN pays the wage, we RECEIVE the wages, we don't PAY the wage.

You know the verse, "sow SIN, reap DESTRUCTION"? SIN pays the wage of death.

If we PAY the wages OF sin with death, why would Jesus have said,

John 8:24 (ESV Strong's) I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

It wouldn't matter if they died in their sins if their death paid the wage for sin!

all errors found are corrected by the JW teachers. trinity religions have had 1750 years to make corrections--they outright refuse. Fact--the ones making correction will prove right in the end.

Believe he is the Messiah--that is what Jesus said--the false teachers say he is claiming to be God. misleading all who listen to them to the lake of fire.

 

[kjw47]

Why would God send a spirit creature to a DIRT grave?

Jesus was mortal while on earth--Hebrews 2:7-9-- made LOWER than the angels= mortal.
No one has a separate spirit being inside of themselves--Soul translates--breath( breath of life makes one alive)--the bible teaches all animals and fish became living souls.

 

[kjw47]

John 1:1 (NWT) 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. . .

Who teaches "2" different Gods?

Every one on earth who understands bible talk, knows 100% any one called god( small g) is NOT being called the true God. It carries the meaning--has godlike qualities--Here is why Jesus did--Acts 2:22-- Gods power went through him.) He did not have power. Neither did Moses have power--YHVH( Jehovah) did all of it through Moses, the same way it worked with Jesus--YHVH( Jehovah) did it all. No wonder Jesus pointed all to his Father in every single thing. And calls him --MY GOD-Rev 3:12

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I didn't want to take time separating your comments to reply; so, you'll find them in your quote.

God out of--LOVE--created all beings to live forever, never sick, aging, Mortals to live in a garden of paradise( Eden)--he asked them not to do one single thing to have all that for free.

The Buddha taught that humans (and everything) is born, lives, ages, and dies. He taught that everyone has the capacity to find wisdom and after many lifetimes or rebirth, we will understand birth, life, sickness, and death (BLSD) and then we we will die. He says that we are attach to this world and even being that things will not change but instead we would live eternally. While that is a comfortable belief, I learned that we need to be comfortable with death. We need to be comfortable with the unknown. No scripture and no sutta can teach us this only our reflection and growing to understand and change your attachments and how you see things.

Believing in god is an attachment, The Buddha says. Believing in The Buddha himself as a god is an attachment. Understanding death does not come overnight. Though, it's a powerful motivator since we can't escape it no matter what we believe.

He didn't want robots so he gave all free will. Not to choose to sin, but to choose to love him and listen to his advice. The 3 rebels in Eden kicked him in the teeth doing what they did. Satan raised issues against his sovereignty--God chose absolutely correct to allow the issues to be settled once and for all time. later 1/3 of the angels rebelled to have sex with mortal women. So it could have occurred over and over. This way, all rebels will be rooted out. As well if God killed the 3 rebels, no one ever born would have been, the seed would be dead. So well over 6000 years ago, God thought of our right to be born from that seed. We owe it all to him.

The sutta has thousands of discourses of The Buddha and his conversations with his disciples. Instead of using what he says as hard fact, use them to learn about life. Is there an Eden? The bible says there is. However, can you explain it in relation to this life and reality that does not requirement to jump hoops in trying to believe in god? God killed 3 rebels? That's written. A lot of things are written. How do you take what's written and explain them into reality?

God chose absolutely correct to allow the issues to be settled once and for all time. later 1/3 of the angels rebelled to have sex with mortal women. So it could have occurred over and over. This way, all rebels will be rooted out. As well if God killed the 3 rebels, no one ever born would have been, the seed would be dead. So well over 6000 years ago, God thought of our right to be born from that seed. We owe it all to him.
God always chooses correctly.

God warned all--GET OUT OF HER( Babylon the great=worldwide false religions)--how will one know unless taught truth?

What is JW obsession over Babylon?

 

[savagewind]

Only a haughty heart would actually think and believe they know truth before Jesus' teachers do...their hearts=Jeremiah 17:9

Why don't you tell us how Jeremiah 17:9 doesn't apply to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses and you?

 

[savagewind]

If you understand that Luke 10:16--if one rejects Jesus' teachers they are rejecting Jesus and God as well. That is sinning.
Not a single mortal on earth knows a truth before Jesus real teachers do. Haughty hearts think they do.
33,000 religions claiming to be Christian over the last 1750 years--do not have a clue--WHY? They do not have Jesus. Every one of them claim to get holy spirit. Yet are a divided house that will not stand-Mark 3:24-26

The religion that came out of Rome screwed it all up--they screwed up translating to fit false council teachings--The protestants did not have a clue when they used Catholicism translating to translate.
Its a fact--trinity translations teach 2 different Gods.

Why do you think that Luke 10:16 ("Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent me.") applies to modern man and not the ones who actually wrote the Bible?

Why don't we look up the meaning of haughty?

proud, arrogant, haughty, lordly, insolent, overbearing, supercilious, disdainful mean showing scorn for inferiors. proud may suggest an assumed superiority or loftiness. The Governing Body members? Oh, yes. Little old me? I do not think so.

Why don't we look up the meaning of arrogant? Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others. The Governing Body members? Oh, yes. Little old me? I do not think so.

The men of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses presume that they only are associated with The Holy Spirit.
They presume that by their leading (LOL, I mean organizational capacity) seven million or more people shall be saved.

OK?

@kjw We do not know if you are present on the forum for comic relief.

 

[kjw47]

Why don't you tell us how Jeremiah 17:9 doesn't apply to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses and you?

When did I say it didn't apply to all? The real difference is--Jw,s listen to Jesus first, by his teachings I know and believe the JW teachers are correct, they are no part of this world in many ways, they do not fit in. The rest must fit in. Not all who stand remain that way.