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Is Heaven Eternal?

Bick

Member
Pardon me Thief, but how could 'life after death' possibly make 'sense' to you? Do you know someone who died and is now alive again? Can you describe the process of going from life to death and back again? Let's see... you say 'if everyone moves on to the next life'.... could you possibly explain to me what 'moves on' means in this context? And where is this next life that I am completely unaware of?
Assuming life after death would appear to be a contradiction in terms to me.
Actually, I see "life during death" as the most controversial. I can understand "life after death" because I believe all will be resurrected at different times in the future, thus, that is "life after death." The phrase doesn't mean "life immediately after death," IMO. Indeed, that would be a contradiction in terms.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
it didn't work out for God's Favored
He had a falling out

Therefore, there is no such thing as a secured position
Anyone can fail
even if you have both feet inside the Door
even if you are God's favored
There is such thing as a secured position, but it must be made secure.

The truth is, by nature, irrefutable -and universally acceptable.

Anything created is based on the most basic truths concerning that of which it is made.
That includes ourselves -and the angels (even those that sinned).

However, we become aware -essentially ignorant -within a body and reality which are already extremely complex.

As we are new and lacking in experience -are "insecure" -some will inevitably "fall".

Though likely instructed as much as possible, Lucifer was not secure in belief of that which was told to him by God.
He is becoming secure in that by experience -whether he eventually repents or not.

When we become absolutely certain of -and experienced in -the truth, our position can become absolutely secure, because any tendency toward anything else has been completely eradicated.

So, it is more correct to say that the position of a new and inexperienced being cannot be initially secure -but can be made secure.

If Satan actually understood that his goal was fundamentally impossible, he would have been less likely to rebel toward that end -though he might have rebelled in general until he got that out of his system.
Creative individuals don't like being told what to do -though experience will lead us to tell ourselves to do exactly what God said to do in the first place.

Understanding that this was the case -and actually a necessary process -God allowed for us to err for a time, and has also planned to repair the effects of our errors.
It is similar to a child making a disaster area of a house for a time -after which things are repaired and made new when the child has outgrown such ways.

The entire earth -and beyond -will be dealt with likewise.
Not only will the present works on earth be destroyed and surface of the earth be made very different, but it is written that the elements will melt by a fervent heat -by which the earth, etc., will be healed of our misuse.

As for heaven, three are mentioned. There is the earth's atmosphere, essentially "space" and the specific place of the throne of God.

God has remained perfect -and even when Satan and the demons appear before his throne, he is still perfect.
His plan, however, is to make all things new -and all things perfect.
Certainly, it is his desire that they be as prodigal sons -but they do have power of decision.

We also have power of decision, but our decision is not yet based on absolute truth -which is universal. To decide otherwise is not truly an option -but we do not yet understand that.
Some here asked about opting out of life, but perhaps that is similar. Perhaps life as it should be is so awesome that opting out is also truly not an option.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem
 
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corynski

Reality First!
Premium Member
Actually, I see "life during death" as the most controversial. I can understand "life after death" because I believe all will be resurrected at different times in the future, thus, that is "life after death." The phrase doesn't mean "life immediately after death," IMO. Indeed, that would be a contradiction in terms.
Hmm...... You say that you believe 'all will be resurrected', so that would mean some have already been resurrected, is that correct? Where are they? The bible states at Matt 27:52 that "The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs ...." ........ and what? No further mention of them. Nor are they mentioned in Mark or Luke or John...... Where are all the resurrected people?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
There is no proof of a heaven.

There is a man-made concept of such a place supposedly existing.

I will address this thread as a hypothetical.

If heaven is real, I would imagine that eternity would be rather boring. After all, most people cannot imagine eternity on earth; therefore, what would they do with eternity in heaven?

The real question of eternity is what would one do with it. Imagine that.

This is kinda ridiculous. As I mentioned in another thread you cannot conceive of what heaven is like and if heaven is bliss, then your consciousness would be overwhelmed by it to where you would not care about "boredom."
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
An eternity? I wouldn't want to count those minutes.
so don't count the minutes

I don't have cause to think time has a value in heaven
It was never more than a measure
a cognitive device created by Man to serve Man
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Q. Is Heaven Eternal?

In as much as people believe in hell because it's mentioned in the Bible, the Bible can decide whatever it likes about the place. And it says. . . .

Luke 16:9
“Now what I say to you is this: use worldly wealth to make friends for yourselves, so that when it gives out, you may be welcomed into the eternal home.

John 5:13

I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

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idav

Being
Premium Member
so don't count the minutes

I don't have cause to think time has a value in heaven
It was never more than a measure
a cognitive device created by Man to serve Man
Thing about it, if your listening closer to time and what Einstein came up with, it's actually evidence for an eternal physical existence. What I'm trying to say is if you listen to the science of time, I'm hearing eternity really exists within. Of course that's a bit of extrapolation from current knowledge.
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
I actually thought you might have something constructive to contribute on a subject you claim to know so much about. Clearly my expectations were too high.

All I know for sure is what God has revealed to me. Everybody else is just guessing because they weren't there and they don't know everything. Also, they aren't holy and can't be trusted 100%.

But if you're expectations are that humans will someday know everything, you're always going to be disappointed. They'll always be guessing, though.
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
All I know for sure is what God has revealed to me. Everybody else is just guessing because they weren't there and they don't know everything. Also, they aren't holy and can't be trusted 100%.

So you're saying that God revealed things to you that he has revealed to no one else? And He told you to keep it on the down-low?
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
Then the Holy Spirit will reveal no more to you than what is written if you do not repent and believe the Gospel.

If I tell you what the Spirit has revealed to me you will not believe me.

Fair enough.
 
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