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Poll: Is killing natural or unnatrual?

Is one person killing another person natural?

  • Yes

    Votes: 13 56.5%
  • No

    Votes: 10 43.5%

  • Total voters
    23

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
By killing I am referring to one person killing another person (we can surmise that self defense is not an issue, meaning that one is not fighting for his/her life).

Elaborate with responses if you choose.

Edit:
I personally believe that killing another person is unnatural. (Sorry for the misspelling in the thread title, can't seem to find a way to correct it.)

I am using synonyms for the word "natural" to make my case.

If one is to consider murder to be, common, essential, logical, ordinary, reasonable, usual, then murder is not natural despite those terms being synonymous with "natural".

Even though there is no definitive definition correlating "natural" with "good", that is how I personally interpret the word.

Therefore, to me murder/killing is not good, it is not natural.
 
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Liu

Well-Known Member
What do you mean by "natural"?
As opposed to "caused by society"?

The question then would be whether pre-historic humans, before founding towns and cities, already committed murders on any regular basis. Or whether starting to live in bigger groups is what causes it.
I can only guess, but from what I heard I would assume that it was already done beforehand, at least in the form of small-scale warfare between tribes. So, in that way, natural.
Of course however there can be social circumstances which make it more or less likely for a given person to murder another one.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Unfortunately, I think murder -- like several other nasty behaviors -- is a behavior most all of us are capable of under various circumstances, and one that evolved in us. So, yes, I see it as natural, but the story doesn't stop there. Like most things about human nature, the issue is complex. So far as I can see, we not only evolved a capacity for murder, but we also evolved what amount to safeguards against it. To answer the question then, murder is as natural as the reluctance, abhorrence, etc of murder.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Killing is natural. Although that does not make it ok. Killing is something we are all capable of in the heat of the moment, unintentionally.

Murder is unnatural. For instance: Ambushing someone with premeditated malice. This means you thought about it before hand, planned it out, waited for an advantage to take the upper hand and/or the ability to get away with it. This is unnatural.
 

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
Killing is natural. Although that does not make it ok. Killing is something we are all capable of in the heat of the moment, unintentionally.

Murder is unnatural. For instance: Ambushing someone with premeditated malice. This means you thought about it before hand, planned it out, waited for an advantage to take the upper hand and/or the ability to get away with it. This is unnatural.

How are you making a distinction between killing and murder? If a man kills/murders another, aren't killing and murder the same?
 

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
If it's found in nature it's natural, no matter if we disapprove of it.

A wolf in nature is born with a natural instinct to kill. Are you insinuating that a newborn human baby in New York is born with a natural instinct to kill?
 

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
Great advice in any thread, not just this one.

I agree. I find it extremely obnoxious when someone states, "How do you define" it?

Unless it's an absolutely obscure word no one has ever heard of, as if, use your own critical thinking skills or dictionary.com
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
How are you making a distinction between killing and murder? If a man kills/murders another, aren't killing and murder the same?

No

You cant kill/murder. You can only kill or murder. They are 2 totally seperate things as explained in my post.
 

Mister Silver

Faith's Nightmare
No

You cant kill/murder. You can only kill or murder. They are 2 totally seperate things as explained in my post.

I didn't understand the distinction before. Could you possibly make it clearer how the two are separate?

After all:
A man kills another man.
A man murders another man.

The truth is that kill and murder are synonyms.

I would simply like you to explain how you personally think those two words are different.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
I didn't understand the distinction before. Could you possibly make it clearer how the two are separate?

After all:
A man kills another man.
A man murders another man.

The truth is that kill and murder are synonyms.

I would simply like you to explain how you personally think those two words are different.

I already did.

Killing is natural. Although that does not make it ok. Killing is something we are all capable of in the heat of the moment, unintentionally.

Murder is unnatural. For instance: Ambushing someone with premeditated malice. This means you thought about it before hand, planned it out, waited for an advantage to take the upper hand and/or the ability to get away with it. This is unnatural.

If you don't understand there is nothing more I can do for you. :)
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
The word "deliberately" confuses me.

Are you stating that one cannot kill or murder unless it is deliberate?
I'm making the distinction between killing in defense, and premeditated killing---killing in combat aside. Deliberately killing in defense is not against the law.

.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
By killing I am referring to one person killing another person (we can surmise that self defense is not an issue, meaning that one is not fighting for his/her life).

Elaborate with responses if you choose.

Edit:
I personally believe that killing another person is unnatural. (Sorry for the misspelling in the thread title, can't seem to find a way to correct it.)

I am using synonyms for the word "natural" to make my case.

If one is to consider murder to be, common, essential, logical, ordinary, reasonable, usual, then murder is not natural despite those terms being synonymous with "natural".

Even though there is no definitive definition correlating "natural" with "good", that is how I personally interpret the word.

Therefore, to me murder/killing is not good, it is not natural.


Everything is natural as it applies to human nature and instinct, so I don't understand what you mean by unnatural.

I would say killing is counterproductive and detrimental for a social species making it counterintuitive. Maybe that is what is meant by unnatural?
 
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