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Is Heaven Eternal?

There is no proof of a heaven.

There is a man-made concept of such a place supposedly existing.

I will address this thread as a hypothetical.

If heaven is real, I would imagine that eternity would be rather boring. After all, most people cannot imagine eternity on earth; therefore, what would they do with eternity in heaven?

The real question of eternity is what would one do with it. Imagine that.

 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
I have considered......

if I find myself among the angelic.....and my loved ones are not there.....
I might borrow a sword
and go looking

and I better not find them harmed

All tears will be wiped away from the eyes of those in heaven.
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
So Heaven will be a society based in determinism with no choice or free will? If that's the case, I'm not sure I'd want to deal with that for eternity.

Might be a nice place to visit, but I doubt I'd want to stay.

Hmm. Might do you good to read the book of Revelation to understand it more accurately.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
We can believe in heaven if we want to, or not, if we don't want to. So I am sure we can believe it's "eternal" if we want to, or not, if we don't want to.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
it didn't work out for God's Favored
He had a falling out

Therefore, there is no such thing as a secured position
Anyone can fail
even if you have both feet inside the Door
even if you are God's favored
Good point. Lucifer proves that it is possible to fall from Heaven
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Good point. Lucifer proves that it is possible to fall from Heaven
And therein lays the lesson:

Will you be disobedient like Satan, blame others for your shortcomings and refuse to turn back to God

or

Will you be like Adam and Eve, peace be upon them, who were equal in their wrongdoing, subsequently repented, turned back to God and were forgiven for their mistake.

One path leads to destruction and the other to salvation.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
God will destroy both heaven and Earth in the end. He will create a new heaven and a new Earth that will both be holy and pristine forever.

Until someone will decide to eat some forbidden apples, again.

Ciao

- viole
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
Hmm. Might do you good to read the book of Revelation to understand it more accurately.

Why? Did they rewrite it since the last time I read it?

Since you bring up Revelation, here are a few verses that demonstrate free will and determinism.

Here's what I found in Revelation for determinism:

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

And for free will:

Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


So it would appear there are verses that exemplify both. Now let's see if you can come up with something better than a one line quip that demonstrates whether or not sin will exist in the new and improved heaven.

C'mon @DavidFirth. Show me what you got.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
and once inside the Door....
do we choose with whom we stand?

it would be heaven's choice if we enter
would it not be heaven's choice with whom we spend eternity?

I mentioned earlier.....if my loved ones are not there
I might go looking for them
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Why? Did they rewrite it since the last time I read it?

Since you bring up Revelation, here are a few verses that demonstrate free will and determinism.

Here's what I found in Revelation for determinism:

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

And for free will:

Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.


So it would appear there are verses that exemplify both. Now let's see if you can come up with something better than a one line quip that demonstrates whether or not sin will exist in the new and improved heaven.

C'mon @DavidFirth. Show me what you got.

You sound as though you think you've got it all figured out.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
No Thief, Eternity would be in our head because time is fake, a measurement on a ruler, some scribbling on a chalkboard.:p
and when the rich man shows up at the Door.....
they might let him in......maybe.....
but they will take his gold watch
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
So it would appear there are verses that exemplify both. Now let's see if you can come up with something better than a one line quip that demonstrates whether or not sin will exist in the new and improved heaven.

You sound as though you think you've got it all figured out.

I actually thought you might have something constructive to contribute on a subject you claim to know so much about. Clearly my expectations were too high.
 
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