spirit of antichrist is in the world today

[savagewind]

Your way has the Bible making a threat. The way I understand 1 Thessalonians 5:3 it is a warning.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones who I am aware of who believe in their peace and security.

 

[Rick B]

Jehovah's Witness are you?

What, in my post motivated you to ask that question?

 

[Rick B]

What does "sin excepted" mean?

In the incarnation, when the second Person of the Trinity, took on human nature, He was "born of a woman" by the Holy Spirit not incurring the guilt of the first Adam's sin and fallen nature. Because it is through Adam (Man) that the curse of the fall is reckoned to all his posterity. Therefore Christ's human nature was "without sin" - sinless. In the hypostatic union God the Son takes on human flesh (nature) making Christ the perfect substitute, being the "last Adam". So that all that are "in Him" will be saved. "For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive." 1 Corinthians 15:21-22. See especially Romans 5

He had a body to bear the stroke due to a victim and a divine nature to sustain Him under it. He had a human nature to offer as a sacrifice and a divine nature to render it valuable and infinitely meritorious. Being God and man, He lacked not a fitness to accomplish such a great and undertaking. If He had not been man, He could not have been a sacrifice; and He had not been God, He could not have been a remedy. Stephen Charnock

 

[Rick B]

I do know what Jesus will say to those at judgement who practice sin, willfull sin = a worker of iniquity( lawlessness)--Get away from me, I must confess, I never even knew you( Matthew 7:22-23) Jesus said many will hear those words.
Catholicism translating influenced every protestant translation ever made--no originals were left by then. They didn't have a clue--One is staking their eternal life on Catholicism translating. Not a path I would choose. The New world translation corrected the many errors. It takes believing Jesus truths over dogmas. Trinitarians outright refuse to believe Jesus.
John 17:1-6,26-- A prayer to his Father--verse 3--Jesus clearly teaches--the one who sent him( Father, John 5:30) is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. And one must know( take in knowledge) and know Jesus to get eternal life. Verse 6= YHVH(Jehovah) 26= YHVH( Jehovah) ----Hallowed bye thy( Father) name= YHVH(Jehovah)
Instead serve a trinity making one break Gods #1 commandment daily--one cannot repent if they are mislead.
Paul believed Jesus-1Corinthians 8:6--One God to all, the FATHER.

Yeah, well, that is not what you said Christ would level against me. You made a false prediction which was a malediction of what Christ is going to accuse me at the judgment making you a false accuser attempting to conceal your guilt with your default way of interacting with opposition - deny, divert, and run.

 

[savagewind]

What, in my post motivated you to ask that question?

The JWs are the only ones who I know who teach that Jesus is "an acceptable substitutionary, propitiatory, sacrifice."
I realize that others believe it and that to be so he had to have been perfect like they believe Adam was perfect, but the JWs drill it in and they call it "food".

 

[Rick B]

The JWs are the only ones who I know who teach that Jesus is "an acceptable substitutionary, propitiatory, sacrifice."
I realize that others believe it and that to be so he had to have been perfect like they believe Adam was perfect, but the JWs drill it in and they call it "food".

As I further posted in 343, this is the historic orthodox Christian teaching. Also Adam was created perfect but mutable therefore able to sin. Jesus was perfect and both immutable and impeccable.

 

[savagewind]

As I further posted in 343, this is the historic orthodox Christian teaching. Also Adam was created perfect but mutable therefore able to sin. Jesus was perfect and both immutable and impeccable.

I don't doubt it. I think that the Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus was also mutable.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

One must love their enemies the same.

Yeah, but their own children, they can shun!

Early 50,s the first New world translation came out. God reveals truths through his faithful and discreet slave---at the proper time. That's exactly how it works.

The witnesses god allows his "true followers" to believe in lies and error until he sees fit to give them the truth!

Trinity translations are altered--every scholar on earth knows it is fact. As well--Every spot in the OT where--GOD--LORD all capitols--YHVH( Jehovah) belongs.

Excellent avoiding skills!

Early 50,s the first New world translation came out.

And your "real teachers" are STILL teaching errors from their own bible!

Truth is revealed--- at the proper time--through the faithful and discreet slave--not a second before.

Then your 'slave' should wait for the proper time in stead of teaching their opinion, they would have to make less "correction"!

trinity translations put the comma in the wrong spot--The bible is 100% clear--Jesus was in Hades( grave) for 3 days--he could not be in paradise on the first day.
All listening to the trinity religions are being mislead into the lake of fire.

You need to understand something, hades, the lake of fire, gehenna, hell or whatever you want to call it, was crated for satan and his demons, they are SPIRIT creatures, which make hades, the lake of fire and gehenna, hell a SPIRITUAL place, why would flesh be put in a SPIRITUAL place or why would spirit creatures be put in a human place?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

But every one of them---believed.

Yes, every one of them believed in the power of Jesus' name, but none of them had a relationship with Him, He wasn't their Lord, just like every witness, the 'slave' is your ruler and salvation, not Jesus.

 

[Desert Snake]

I don't doubt it. I think that the Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus was also mutable.

JW seem to be henotheistic, ie Jesus is another god.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Its Gods will to do it that way--Or don't you understand that when Jesus' real teachers= the faithful and discreet slave who give food( spiritual) ---- AT THE PROPER TIME= When Gods wills it known--not before. But the teachings are still in the bible and taught on. Not one on earth knows the truth of those matters but must still teach about them because they are in the bible already--thus errors occur.

I see, so because the "teachings are still in the Bible and taught on" your "real teachers" just teach what 'they think it means' until "the proper time" when God wants the "real truth revealed" and then they make the necessary correction?

These verses go along with my response above also,

Luke 23:42-43 (ESV Strong's) And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”

I don't need an English lesson on those verses either! My point is, that man didn't have a chance to get baptized, he didn't have the chance to go door to door, all he did was turn his heart to Jesus, that was it, and it saved him!

But every one of them---believed.

This is what Jesus said---Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in paradise

trinity translations put the comma in the wrong spot--The bible is 100% clear--Jesus was in Hades( grave) for 3 days--he could not be in paradise on the first day.
All listening to the trinity religions are being mislead into the lake of fire.

See how well you pay attention to what you read! All you're programmed to see is TRINITY ERROR.

The POINT of my post was, the man on the cross was neither baptized nor did he go door to door preaching. He didn't do the will of God while living. It isn't recorded that the man asked God thru Jesus to forgive his sins, he didn't have the chance to repent, so how could Jesus have told him he would be in paradise with Him?

Again, I DON'T NEED AN ENGLISH LESSON, I don't care where the comma goes, HOW WAS THE MAN SAVED? He did NO WORKS, but died a righteous man!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Imperfections of mortal man is why correction is needed. The JW teachers only had error filled trinity translations to go by for 80 years, it took years of studying the bible, old writings, history, languages by many men. Satan is very powerful. He gets bad teachings in--In Peters book bad teachings had to be corrected--Paul had to correct Peter on a matter one time. Titus was left behind to correct error teachings that got in. The Israelite religious teachers had many errors in place in Jesus day. As long as satan lives he will not stop--His #1 job relentlessly attack Jesus' seed.

Even more powerful than "real teachers" who have God, Jesus AND the Holy Spirit leading them? Is satan more powerful than your god kjw47? Is your god helpless against satan kjw47?

You better re look at fact.

I have 0 fear of what is fact.

You mean like these FACTS?

***g22 11/1 p.333 The Kingdom Class***
Bible prophecy shows that the Lord was due to appear for the second time in the year 1874. Fulfilled prophecy shows beyond a doubt that he did appear in 1874. Fulfilled prophecy is otherwise designated the physical facts; and these facts are indisputable. All true watchers are familiar with these facts, as set forth in the Scriptures and explained in the interpretation by the Lord's special servant.

That quote is from the November 1, 1922 Watchtower, page 333. Look it up for yourself. Those are "FACTS" interpreted by the lords "special servant"!

It was INDISPUTABLE FACT that Jesus' second coming was in 1874.

FULFILLED prophecy showed BEYOND A DOUBT that Jesus DID appear in 1874.

All "TRUE" watchers were familiar with those FACTS.

Please tell us, how does an "INDISPUTABLE FACT" change kjw47?
How does "FULFILLED PROPHECY" change kjw47?


Are these the "FACTS" your god allowed his people to believe because it wasn't "the proper time" for them to know the "truth"? And before you say it, the above quote about Jesus' second coming has NOTHING to do with the Trinity!

 

[kjw47]

The 99% of people, what incentive can you give them that they dont have themselves?

A lot of people dont think 99% are mislead. Many religions do not have a negative view regardless if it came from god, bob, or a fish.

So, what positive things can you offer us that we do not already have? And how would we know what you have outweighs what we have-especially-to those who have walked in your shoes before?

The bible teaches--Gods coming kingdom is good news, even though Har-mageddon will precede it. It is already ruling heaven( from this point on) Rev 6)
Gods kingdom will be a cure all for all of mortal woes. Food enough for all. The lion will lay beside the lamb( harmony with all of Gods creatures)-- Every decision from a mortal to another will be out of Love, not profit. No more, wars of hatred, fear, hate, lusts, diseases, sickness, no more aging like we do now, lies, stealing, no more mental illnesses, deformities, etc. Loved ones resurrected.
One must live now to do Jesus, Fathers will to get entrance into that kingdom. Matthew 7:21)
Paradise will be on Earth( New Earth) for the great multitude. Eden translates-Paradise--garden of paradise=Gods will. Matthew 5:5, Psalm 37: 9-11,29) They will be standing before the throne on Earth--All creation will be under Gods kingdom rule, no matter where one is they will stand before the throne.

 

[kjw47]

Your history in debates has been a total evasion of direct interaction with Scripture which presents a clear refutation of your assertions.

Just like Roman Catholicism your final authority is not God's Word but the man-made traditions of your sect's leaders that tell you what you are to believe.

I put 4 scriptures in my post. I state facts. Like these undeniable facts

From Moses on up until this very day, in every synagogue and temple they teach, taught, serve and worship--YHVH(Jehovah) a single being God. 0 doubt they had the true living god.
When Jesus attended the synagogues and temples his first 30 years was taught, served and worshipped--YHVH(Jehovah) a single being God.
God did not change, the religion that came out of Rome tried to change him. But FACTS prove their errors. And all the branches did not fix it.

 

[kjw47]

Yeah, well, that is not what you said Christ would level against me. You made a false prediction which was a malediction of what Christ is going to accuse me at the judgment making you a false accuser attempting to conceal your guilt with your default way of interacting with opposition - deny, divert, and run.

I never said that was your sealed fate--Jesus showed who it will be--workers of iniquity( practice of a sin, willfull sin)-- Here is a very sad reality for this world--1Cor 10:21-- God says--one CANNOT partake of his table and of the table of demons, but the many Jesus mentions at Matt 22:23-- are trying to do just that. But they don't even know that satan beat them centuries ago. 99% are partaking of the table of demons. By satan and his teachers transforming into an angel of light( 2Cor 11:12-15) using love, sharing, whatever it takes to make it look good to the mortal heart. He just has to get one to partake of that table, continuously it occurs to each individual.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The bible teaches--Gods coming kingdom is good news, even though Har-mageddon will precede it. It is already ruling heaven( from this point on) Rev 6)
Gods kingdom will be a cure all for all of mortal woes. Food enough for all. The lion will lay beside the lamb( harmony with all of Gods creatures)-- Every decision from a mortal to another will be out of Love, not profit. No more, wars of hatred, fear, hate, lusts, diseases, sickness, no more aging like we do now, lies, stealing, no more mental illnesses, deformities, etc. Loved ones resurrected.
One must live now to do Jesus, Fathers will to get entrance into that kingdom. Matthew 7:21)
Paradise will be on Earth( New Earth) for the great multitude. Eden translates-Paradise--garden of paradise=Gods will. Matthew 5:5, Psalm 37: 9-11,29) They will be standing before the throne on Earth--All creation will be under Gods kingdom rule, no matter where one is they will stand before the throne.

A lot of people who do not follow christ have walked in your shoes before, know the bible, and lived it. Now they are living a better life with or without god, and without christ.

So, you would have to give them an incentive outside of what they already know that could motivate them to come back.

Saying "god will judge you" for example, is not a motivator to come back to christ. Saying "god loves you" is not a motivator to come back to christ.

These are motivators for you but what about the other person? They know god does not exist and they know because he does not, he cannot judge.

So, what kinds of things can you say (so they connect with someone who does exist) that would motivate them away from the belief they know is true to what you personally believe is true?

(Hint) For sake of conversation, how would you convert someone from their belief to yours when they already know scripture, do not believe in it, do not believe god exist, and is living a faith they know is true for all people as well as themselves?

 

[kjw47]

Yeah, but their own children, they can shun!



The witnesses god allows his "true followers" to believe in lies and error until he sees fit to give them the truth!



Excellent avoiding skills!



And your "real teachers" are STILL teaching errors from their own bible!



Then your 'slave' should wait for the proper time in stead of teaching their opinion, they would have to make less "correction"!



You need to understand something, hades, the lake of fire, gehenna, hell or whatever you want to call it, was crated for satan and his demons, they are SPIRIT creatures, which make hades, the lake of fire and gehenna, hell a SPIRITUAL place, why would flesh be put in a SPIRITUAL place or why would spirit creatures be put in a human place?

In the ot when one did certain sins and didn't repent = stoned to death--is this what you would rather have for your family member? They can still repent if they are disfellowshipped. They always point the finger at others when its they who are at fault. It was they by choosing sin that caused the shunning, not the familys fault. Jesus taught that ones members of their own households would become enemies( spiritually)

Sheol( Hebrew)= Hades( Greek) = Hell( English)--Fact--Sheol-Hades translate--The GRAVE. Thus so does hell. Jesus was in Hades for 3 days-- in his grave. Why would God send him to a firey furnace for 3 days--it was symbolism.

 

[kjw47]

Yes, every one of them believed in the power of Jesus' name, but none of them had a relationship with Him, He wasn't their Lord, just like every witness, the 'slave' is your ruler and salvation, not Jesus.

You are sadly mistaken, We bow in obeisance to our king Jesus by learning and applying every utterance from God because we believed Jesus who teaches--Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God--thus its a fact-The teachers who belong to Jesus make sure every utterance from God is learned and taught to the flock to live by daily, year after year, it does not stop. One still remembers new points of truth.
Your post sounds like what the Pharisees would say to Jesus-- No one should listen to the apostles they didn't learn in our schools of men. Luke 10:16 teaches one better listen to Jesus' teachers per-se.

 

[kjw47]

I see, so because the "teachings are still in the Bible and taught on" your "real teachers" just teach what 'they think it means' until "the proper time" when God wants the "real truth revealed" and then they make the necessary correction?






See how well you pay attention to what you read! All you're programmed to see is TRINITY ERROR.

The POINT of my post was, the man on the cross was neither baptized nor did he go door to door preaching. He didn't do the will of God while living. It isn't recorded that the man asked God thru Jesus to forgive his sins, he didn't have the chance to repent, so how could Jesus have told him he would be in paradise with Him?

Again, I DON'T NEED AN ENGLISH LESSON, I don't care where the comma goes, HOW WAS THE MAN SAVED? He did NO WORKS, but died a righteous man!

Every religion claiming to be Christian taught on those matters, every one was in error. The whole supposed Christian world watched the correction come, yet rejected it. Because they choose not to correct, thus any listening to them cannot accomplish this major will of God= John 4:22-24.

The wages of sin = death. He paid the wages he owed. He will be resurrected into Gods kingdom( judgement)-- he was not righteous. He was being killed because he was the opposite of righteous.

 

[Rick B]

I put 4 scriptures in my post. I state facts. Like these undeniable facts

From Moses on up until this very day, in every synagogue and temple they teach, taught, serve and worship--YHVH(Jehovah) a single being God. 0 doubt they had the true living god.
When Jesus attended the synagogues and temples his first 30 years was taught, served and worshipped--YHVH(Jehovah) a single being God.
God did not change, the religion that came out of Rome tried to change him. But FACTS prove their errors. And all the branches did not fix it.

WOW! When did you renounce the JW's and embrace the Jewish religion as legit?