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Questions for Muslims

Spiderman

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Since Christ preached love your enemies and turn the other cheek, it is safe to say that violence is unchristian. Since Muhammad was violent, I'd say that behavior is quite Muslim , because the founder of the Religion practiced it.
 

Muslim-UK

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Would you agree that Jesus didn't promote violence? Jesus preached that we should turn the other cheek and love our enemies. I know a lot of Catholics who believe the Church was behaving in rebellion to the teachings of Christ when conquest and the killing of heretics took place.
Mark, Luke and Matthew say Jesus pbuh had a very short Ministry, some 12 Months or so. John says, 3.5 years. Either way very short to establish himself as a Head of State and start implementing Shariah Law, (God's Law). The expected Messiah was meant to take the Jews out of oppression by defeating the occupying Roman force and establish himself as a Earthly King, judging the Nations and doing God's will.

It was non Jews who wrote the NT and what better way to unite a people and make them comply with foreign rulers, than to put in pacifist verses related to turning the other cheek, not picking up arms and giving to Caesar what is due?

The last book of the NT, Revelation shows Jesus pbuh returning as a war like figure, who will crush the enemies of God with the Mother of ALL Wars and establish Shariah Law on a Global scale. Luke 19:27
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Since Christ preached love your enemies and turn the other cheek, it is safe to say that violence is unchristian.
Yes, this is the message the Romans wanted Christians to implement. Of course they themselves turned to the Torah to justify their wars on infidels and heretics.

Since Muhammad was violent, I'd say that behavior is quite Muslim , because the founder of the Religion practiced it.
Christians say Jesus pbuh is the God of the Torah, which commanded believers to fight non believers.

If you examine the life of Muhammad pbuh for the first 3.5 years, there is little to no difference to that of Jesus pbuh. And like Muhammad pbuh, Jesus pbuh will return to establish himself as a Head of State and judge matters related to God's Law, which have little to no room for all those who oppose God.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Yes, this is the message the Romans wanted Christians to implement. Of course they themselves turned to the Torah to justify their wars on infidels and heretics.

Christians say Jesus pbuh is the God of the Torah, which commanded believers to fight non believers.

If you examine the life of Muhammad pbuh for the first 3.5 years, there is little to no difference to that of Jesus pbuh. And like Muhammad pbuh, Jesus pbuh will return to establish himself as a Head of State and judge matters related to God's Law, which have little to no room for all those who oppose God.
I have an entirely different question based on how often I see a translation of the Quran being selectively used to assert something, typically anti-Muslim. Is there a web site or book you would recommend that helps especially non-Muslims understand the different ways Islamic scholars understand the Quran (and Hadith)?
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Depends on the law of the Land. Some Countries class it as blasphemy and it's punishable. So in answer to your question 'acceptable' is decided by the majority people of individual Countries, a democratic process of sorts.

Therefore, Islam is open to interpretation.

Is Sharia Law as flexible?
 
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I have an entirely different question based on how often I see a translation of the Quran being selectively used to assert something, typically anti-Muslim. Is there a web site or book you would recommend that helps especially non-Muslims understand the different ways Islamic scholars understand the Quran (and Hadith)?

Have a look at Heaven on Earth: A Journey Through Shariʻa Law by Sadakat Kadri.

It's a historical overview rather than scriptural analysis but is good for some overall context of the diverse history of Islamic jurisprudence. Entertaining and an easy read too.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Have a look at Heaven on Earth: A Journey Through Shariʻa Law by Sadakat Kadri.

It's a historical overview rather than scriptural analysis but is good for some overall context of the diverse history of Islamic jurisprudence. Entertaining and an easy read too.
Thanks. I have an excerpt on its way to my tablet to review.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I have an entirely different question based on how often I see a translation of the Quran being selectively used to assert something, typically anti-Muslim. Is there a web site or book you would recommend that helps especially non-Muslims understand the different ways Islamic scholars understand the Quran (and Hadith)?
Honestly just go online and read a accepted English translation of the meaning of the Qur'an. 90% of the verses when read in context require no external sources.

Quran Explorer

Quran Browser.org: Browse, Compare and Search through Quran translations of Dr. Rashad Khalifa, Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Muhammad Marmaduke Pickthall, Maulvi Sher Ali and the Arabic Quran text

Here's a exegesis by Ibn Kathir for any verses you want to examine in more detail: Quran Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Home

Here's a biography of one of the most misaligned men in History:

Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum – The Sealed Nectar (Biography Of The Prophet)

Thomas Carlyle:
"The lies which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammad) are disgraceful to ourselves only. A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world, the world’s Maker had ordered so."
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I have an entirely different question based on how often I see a translation of the Quran being selectively used to assert something, typically anti-Muslim. Is there a web site or book you would recommend that helps especially non-Muslims understand the different ways Islamic scholars understand the Quran (and Hadith)?
Islam has pretty much what we would describe as denominations in Christianity, with all the various theological underpinnings one can have when describing humans relationship with the almighty.
Schools of Islamic theology - Wikipedia
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
BTW if any Islam can summarize those theological positions it would be most appreciated. I think I saw one say god is physical , are there ones that say god is spirit?
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
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BTW if any Islam can summarize those theological positions it would be most appreciated. I think I saw one say god is physical , are there ones that say god is spirit?

The Prophet pbuh predicted Muslims would spilt into many sects, and the Companions asked him, how would they and future generations know which one is following the correct path? He replied it would be the largest group following his way, (Sunnah). Today that is some 85% of the 1.6 Billion Muslims who are Ahl as Sunnah wal-Jamaah (followers of the Sunnah), the Sunni Muslims and our Scholars say, God is a physical entity who resides above His creation.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
The Prophet pbuh predicted Muslims would spilt into many sects, and the Companions asked him, how would they and future generations know which one is following the correct path? He replied it would be the largest group following his way, (Sunnah). Today that is some 85% of the 1.6 Billion Muslims who are Ahl as Sunnah wal-Jamaah (followers of the Sunnah), the Sunni Muslims and our Scholars say, God is a physical entity who resides above His creation.
But, but, but.... if god is physical how can it also be formless. That makes no sense.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Found this, that the Sufi is more about spiritualism.
Difference Between Sunni and Sufi | Difference Between
The Prophet pbuh said, “My ummah (community) will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.”

But notice he classed them all as 'his' community and most Scholars are of the opinion, that all who testify God is One and to be worshipped alone, (100% of Muslims to my knowledge) would all eventually be released from the fire. There have been many brilliant and worthy Scholars from the many different sects within Islam, and as Muslims we pray that everyone is forgiven for any mistakes and allowed into Paradise including non believers.
 

Muslim-UK

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
But, but, but.... if god is physical how can it also be formless. That makes no sense.
I don't make comment on something I have no knowledge of. He is unique and nothing we can imagine is comparable unto him. Qur'an explains GOD has a shape, which is veiled from us:

Watch from 33 secs:

 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I don't make comment on something I have no knowledge of. He is unique and nothing we can imagine is comparable unto him. Qur'an explains GOD has a shape, which is veiled from us:

Watch from 33 secs:

An unexpectedly hilarious answer. Yep, that sure clears things up. :)
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
The Prophet pbuh predicted Muslims would spilt into many sects, and the Companions asked him, how would they and future generations know which one is following the correct path? He replied it would be the largest group following his way, (Sunnah). Today that is some 85% of the 1.6 Billion Muslims who are Ahl as Sunnah wal-Jamaah (followers of the Sunnah), the Sunni Muslims and our Scholars say, God is a physical entity who resides above His creation.
So they take it very literal, is that 85% young earth creationists?
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
There is no concept of Young Earth in Islam. Scholars using the Qur'an say the Earth is Billions of years old.

I appreciate the explanation, I was wondering the interpretation of days which Judaism teaches as age. Is evolution vs creation an issue with a literal interpretation of Quran?
 
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