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Born Again

Tmac

Active Member
"Born again" is a phrase use on this forum, hell, even Kellogg used a version of it in a commenercial, "try them again for the first time".

To be exact, each of us wakes up (if we really slept) to a new moment but we (most) are not cognizant of the fact so technically, we are being born again each day. So what does the phrase mean before the so called religious people get a hold of it.

Each of us are born into the finite (beginning and ending) and then we become conscious and we are born into the infinite(no beginning, no ending).

How someone experiences this realization and then interprets it, is totally up to them but its not magic.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
"Born again" is a phrase use on this forum, hell, even Kellogg used a version of it in a commenercial, "try them again for the first time".

To be exact, each of us wakes up (if we really slept) to a new moment but we (most) are not cognizant of the fact so technically, we are being born again each day. So what does the phrase mean before the so called religious people get a hold of it.

Each of us are born into the finite (beginning and ending) and then we become conscious and we are born into the infinite(no beginning, no ending).

How someone experiences this realization and then interprets it, is totally up to them but its not magic.

the first birth is the outward experience and sensing, or knowing without self. the second birth is inward self-awareness and understanding of the deepest part of self.

“There is no coming to consciousness without pain. People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own Soul. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” ~ Carl Jung

Revelation 11:7
And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that rises from the bottomless pit will make war on them and conquer them and kill them,

naga-raja

 
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Tmac

Active Member
the first birth is the outward experience and sensing, or knowing without self. the second birth is inward self-awareness and understanding of the deepest part of self.

“There is no coming to consciousness without pain. People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own Soul. One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.” ~ Carl Jung

Revelation 11:7
And when they have finished their testimony, the beast that rises from the bottomless pit will make war on them and conquer them and kill them,

naga-raja

How do you understand that verse from Revelation?
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
"Born again" is a phrase use on this forum, hell, even Kellogg used a version of it in a commenercial, "try them again for the first time".

To be exact, each of us wakes up (if we really slept) to a new moment but we (most) are not cognizant of the fact so technically, we are being born again each day. So what does the phrase mean before the so called religious people get a hold of it.

Each of us are born into the finite (beginning and ending) and then we become conscious and we are born into the infinite(no beginning, no ending).

How someone experiences this realization and then interprets it, is totally up to them but its not magic.

When a very advanced being tries to explain something incredibly complicated to a primitive human, who is afraid of comets, the advanced being has to use simple terms that are already available and understood by the primitive.

You're not literally born again after death. You already have a spirit body but, after death, that spirit body may reject you if you have not evolved a conscience.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
How do you understand that verse from Revelation?

the difference between the higher man and lower man is the difference between understanding the abstract and seeing things in their long term consequences/results vs immediate and sometimes fatalistic desires.

we have within us two options, we can choose service to self(selfishness and duality), or service to all as self(oneness).

recognizing that we have choices empowers us to choose.

we can take the negative and use the energy for positive. there is both the saint and sinner within our potential. there is both the trickster/thief and the jurist, a creator and a destroyer.

similar to plato's allegory of the chariot.

Deuteronomy 30:19
This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

Matthew 5:45
that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
 
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WalterTrull

Godfella
How do you understand that verse from Revelation?
we have within us two options, we can choose service to self, or service to all as self.

recognizing that we have choices empowers us to choose.

we can take the negative and use the energy for positive. there is both the saint and sinner within our potential. there is both the trickster/thief and the jurist, a creator and a destroyer.

similar to plato's allegory of the chariot.

Deuteronomy 30:19
This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

Matthew 5:45
that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

I've been kind of waiting for that answer. Boy, do I not understand most of Revelation. Sort of relate to the horsemen, but that's about all. Whoowie! You got that from the beast from the bottomless pit? OK I'll read it again in context with the other verses, but I've done that before without getting much.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I've been kind of waiting for that answer. Boy, do I not understand most of Revelation. Sort of relate to the horsemen, but that's about all. Whoowie! You got that from the beast from the bottomless pit? OK I'll read it again in context with the other verses, but I've done that before without getting much.

its a mirror of self. everything being witnessed is something about self revealing.

the lamb overcomes the beast and it becomes the comforter that is to come.

having different names in different cultures.


how many ways can we say, "i love you". how many ways can i call someone friend.

infinitely

we in service to the law of ONE await you.

he who wishes to be greatest must be servant to all.

indifference isn't acceptable. it is in fact, depraved at times.

14 “And to the angel of the church in Laodicea(justice of the people) write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation.

15 “‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! 16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth. 17 For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing, not realizing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire(alchemy), so that you may be rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself and the shame of your nakedness may not be seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, so that you may see.(enlightenment) 19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. 21 The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”
 
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Tmac

Active Member
When a very advanced being tries to explain something incredibly complicated to a primitive human, who is afraid of comets, the advanced being has to use simple terms that are already available and understood by the primitive.

You're not literally born again after death. You already have a spirit body but, after death, that spirit body may reject you if you have not evolved a conscience.

I think your second sentence needs some more thought. Think about it if it can reject you, how could you ever say it was yours.
 

Tmac

Active Member
the difference between the higher man and lower man is the difference between understanding the abstract and seeing things in their long term consequences/results vs immediate and sometimes fatalistic desires.

we have within us two options, we can choose service to self(selfishness and duality), or service to all as self(oneness).

recognizing that we have choices empowers us to choose.

we can take the negative and use the energy for positive. there is both the saint and sinner within our potential. there is both the trickster/thief and the jurist, a creator and a destroyer.

similar to plato's allegory of the chariot.

Deuteronomy 30:19
This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live

Matthew 5:45
that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Look man, some people can speak in tongues, some people can only speak in tongues but I am having trouble seeing your thoughts in the sentence. I think when they were putting together the book (by order of the then pagan emperor Constantine) they said lets throw in this scary one. I don't think it is suppose to make any sense.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Look man, some people can speak in tongues, some people can only speak in tongues but I am having trouble seeing your thoughts in the sentence. I think when they were putting together the book (by order of the then pagan emperor Constantine) they said lets throw in this scary one. I don't think it is suppose to make any sense.

cool beans
 

WalterTrull

Godfella
Finally, an explanation of Revelation.
Seriously though: I personally think Revelation is likely a kind of dream/analogy of John. Probably some good stuff hidden there, but I just can't relate to most of it. Good grief, I don't get a lot of the metaphor/analogy in Shakespeare. That was written just a few hundred years ago and wasn't translated.
 

Super Universe

Defender of God
I think your second sentence needs some more thought. Think about it if it can reject you, how could you ever say it was yours.

Can your wife reject you? Can your child?

I tried to give a shortened simple answer for something that is complicated.

What makes you "you" is your mind. Your spirit body is yours but it has to be accepted by the soul before you can enter heaven. When joined you permanently become one with the soul. If the soul does not accept you then you have to choose another material world and live another life. If you've been bad the soul will not accept you and your spirit body turns off and "you" cease to exist.
 

Tmac

Active Member
Can your wife reject you? Can your child?

I tried to give a shortened simple answer for something that is complicated.

What makes you "you" is your mind. Your spirit body is yours but it has to be accepted by the soul before you can enter heaven. When joined you permanently become one with the soul. If the soul does not accept you then you have to choose another material world and live another life. If you've been bad the soul will not accept you and your spirit body turns off and "you" cease to exist.

Are you comfortable with that?
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
"Born again" is a phrase use on this forum, hell, even Kellogg used a version of it in a commenercial, "try them again for the first time".

To be exact, each of us wakes up (if we really slept) to a new moment but we (most) are not cognizant of the fact so technically, we are being born again each day. So what does the phrase mean before the so called religious people get a hold of it.

Each of us are born into the finite (beginning and ending) and then we become conscious and we are born into the infinite(no beginning, no ending).

How someone experiences this realization and then interprets it, is totally up to them but its not magic.

I doubt you understand what being born again in Christ is at all. It's not like what you have posted at all.
 
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