No, what I was quoting was just to demonstrate that there are portions that are not symbolic. Those specific quotes are yet to come but they aren't symbolic.
Rev. 2:
1 “To the angelof the church in Ephesus write: These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands.
2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false.
Do you think these were future tense or present?
That is correct. The gift of "discerning of spirits" is what gives man the capacity to look into the spiritual realm. But it is quite real
Yes and no. A vision can be in the future but it could also be something in the past or even present. For an example, when Jesus said "John 1:
48 “How do you know me?” Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, “I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you.” The vision of seeing Nathanael under the fig tree was present and not future.
Agreed!
Those quoted before are yet to come... but very soon!
LOL... before I answer... are we getting to big in scope? That sounds like a whole thread line in and of itself.
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, yes, I fear that you are indeed correct, we have
(or maybe I have) certainly carried on much, and the scope has indeed grown into many directions and perhaps grown into a life of its own.. -smile-
However, one last comment if you will, concerning your query about the scripture at Rev. 2. -- I believe that to be symbolism, but the things depicted are very real, and pertinent to accurate understanding of the vision. Or, as stated at Rev. 1:1. "written in signs". It has great meaning, such as the identity of "He"
who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands...
In my understanding, each of these 'symbols' have great meaning in the prophecy as discerned by some even today.
Things that were only to be understood when the vision is becoming manifest in the time frame it is intended, which is during the 'final part of the days', {or, as it says at
Rev. 1:10, that
'by inspiration I came to be in the Lord's
day' }
There is a time that God has purposed , when things previously hidden from human understanding, (example Daniel's vision) will be exposed by 'the light of truth' {Proverbs 4:18}, and Daniel 12:4 , explaining that Daniel nor any others understood what he wrote at the time of his writing it under Inspiration. Yes?
Thanks for the great conversation and exchange of ideas, and for your kind patience.
May you have peace
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