Are you then claiming to be called of Christ as the thirteenth Apostle?
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spirit of antichrist is in the world today
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Are you then claiming to be called of Christ as the thirteenth Apostle?
Unveiled Artist
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What do you mean?
When did the holy spirit change from the last 2,000 years of the Church birth? Did it die out?
If you are not experience the same spirit as say, John, what spirit are you experiencing? And are you sure its the same god?
What I mean is that the writers of Scripture received special revelation from God that ended with the closing of the Canon at the death of the Apostle John. Of course God, which includes the Person of the Holy Spirit, is immutable.
Would you mind explaining what you mean by "experiencing" the "spirit"?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I mean, you receive the same holy spirit as they do (or christ spirit) not the same revelation.
Spirit of christ that came from him when he rose. The pentecost. Experiencing, I mean by textbook definition, "physical contact or observations of facts or events...[or idiom definition]
experience religion, to undergo a spiritual conversation by which one gains or regains faith in God."
Spiritually, people have born again experiences where they are washed by "the blood of christ." Others, like myself, went through physical and spiritual baptism both water and spirit.
When jesus was baptized, he was baptized in the spirit of god the father. When jesus resurrected, christians are not baptized in the spirit of christ. The experience of the spirit is, in my opinion, beyond what the bible has. It's written by authors that share the same spirit as you and the christian beside you.
My question is you trust their experiences but not your own when they come from the same god. This isn't related to any revelation, just the spirit of god (Holy Spirit) and spirit of christ.
What I see as a critical issue regarding one placing trust in one's subjective experiences is what you have expressed in your opinion that "the experience of the spirit is beyond what the Bible has." Someone has rightly said "the God of the imagination is an imaginary god". Your opinion is in direct opposition to the Word of God recorded in 1Corinthians 4:6 "I have applied these things to myself and Apollos because of you, brothers and sisters, so that through us you may learn "not to go beyond what is written" so that none of you will be puffed-up in favor of one against the other." "Jesus replied 'you are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.'" Matthew 22:29
The truth of the Christian faith is not subjective but objective, it comes from above as revealed by God in Scripture.
I find it ironically self-defeating for a JW like @kjw47 to start this thread when they are guilty of promoting that spirit of antichrist. "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus has come in the flesh is from God: and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist of which you have heard that is coming, and now is already in the world." 1 John 4:2-3
The JW's deny the Deity of Christ and the incarnation when God the Son took on human nature, sin excepted, to be man's representative and substitute to God the Father as the last Adam -the Mediator between God and man. "If He had not been man He could not have been a sacrifice, and if He had not been God He could not have been a remedy." Stephen Charnock
The JW's deny the Deity of Christ and the incarnation when God the Son took on human nature, sin excepted, to be man's representative and substitute to God the Father as the last Adam -the Mediator between God and man. "If He had not been man He could not have been a sacrifice, and if He had not been God He could not have been a remedy." Stephen Charnock
MonkeyFire
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I call him Hatan. The devil is a living man.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Of course the spirit of the AntiChrist is here in the world today, and alive and well.
I'm sitting right here.
I'm sitting right here.
To be putting strict meaning into scripture is to go beyond the things written.
You all are saying, "it means what I say it means". That is being puffed up fyi.
Meaning comes first and words come after. The writers were given meaning. It is meaning that is holy. Words are not holy.
I can't tell what you mean.
You can't tell or you can't know?
Do you believe The God speaks with words?
Do you believe that God goes into a person to make him write what God means?
Do you believe that the words are perfect like God is perfect?
Do you believe that God goes into a person to make him write what God means?
Do you believe that the words are perfect like God is perfect?
Do you believe The Holy Bible is the words of God which all have the same meaning for every man, woman, and child?
Do you believe the words are meaning?
In other words, are all the words of the Bible the same thing as what meaning was intended by them?
Are words and meaning the same things? < this seems to be what is being taught.
People teach that you only have to know the words to know what they mean.
That is incorrect. I can say that because I believe it is obvious. But, then again, it isn't. Is it?
Do you believe the words are meaning?
In other words, are all the words of the Bible the same thing as what meaning was intended by them?
Are words and meaning the same things? < this seems to be what is being taught.
People teach that you only have to know the words to know what they mean.
That is incorrect. I can say that because I believe it is obvious. But, then again, it isn't. Is it?
Are the words you are writing mean what they mean or do they mean something else? If you want to know what a word means we have several dictionaries, thesauruses, interlinears, encyclopedias etc to define what words mean. You evidently don't believe that God can use a person to write words that reflect the intended meaning that He desires. Nor does it appear that you believe that He can providentially preserve His written word as He has promised. Yes, it is the purpose of the translators to strictly adhere to the principles of translation: historical background, geography, intention of the author, range of word meaning in the original language, etc.. Hence the various versions available in our common languages today.
Do understand the words that I have just written? Of course you do. Why do you understand the words written here? Because, being made in the image of God, you are a rational being. Your mind is governed by the laws of logic. Even though those laws can be broken which causes irrational argumentation even cognitive dissonance.
Yes, God would, should, can and does give meaning to the people who God knows can communicate it more or less. Have you read that Jesus says, "to the least of these, my brothers". Least are they who communicated it less than adequate.
I'm going to start a new thread. Instead of putting the unsold yard sale junk away.
kjw47
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kjw47
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By satans will mortals removed Gods personal name--they had no right.
kjw47
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I don't the hour, So PLEASE stop twisting and lying about what I say. False reasoning rules your thinking. By posting garbage like you did when I never said that.
The signs are there in the bible--many have already come to pass.