Short? Bruh I referenced two whole chapters of Revelation in my last post!For once someone used short bible verses that actually went with the conversation!! Thanks
Now see, here's where the Hypostatic Union starts to get brain-breaking, and firmly into the realm of what we Byzantines (Catholic and Orthodox alike) term a mystery. It's like being in the ocean and looking out--the water gets bluer and more opaque until we can't reasonably make anything else out. Jesus certainly does have His human spirit, yet that human spirit is also united perfectly to His Divine Person, and as we know, God is everywhere in a way that our human spirits can't be. This of course is something common to the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit--all three of them are fully present together throughout all of creation.Keeping this is mind, when I think of christ, I think of christ spirit. If christ returns as flesh, then christ would "need his spirit back" or did he have two spirits one in heaven and one on earth?
Yes, I would assume that Jesus' physical body still has some kind of physical limitations on it.Unless christ is not really on earth, I can only see his spirit being "everywhere" but not his flesh.
In a symbolic sense, yes.The flesh/blood is the body/blood of christ-the people.
If Jesus wasn't truly human like the Docetists and a lot of Gnostics said, things would be a LOT easier to understand, haha.So, if he wasn't in heaven in flesh, this would be easier to understand.
In the Catholic and Orthodox churches, we teach that Jesus resurrected in His same body, except now it was transformed and glorified. We know that He invited His disciples to touch His body and examine the wounds from the crucifixion (John 20:27), and Jesus ate something to prove to the Apostles that He wasn't just a ghost (Luke 24:37-43).Passed away meaning his body-as human (unless he wasn't human)-turned to ashes and his spirit resurrected. He came back in his body to show his disciples he exists (I presume in a new body since christians are supposed to be resurrected like christ)
So, I wouldn't see how christ is in heaven in flesh and spirit but then on earth as just spirit (in some churches) but as a sacramental meal rather than human being (like you and I) in Catholic churches.
Yeah, the Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are content to just say "It's a mystery--glory to God!" When the priest distributes the Eucharist to the people, he says "The servant/handmaid of God _________ receives the most precious, holy Body and Blood of our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins and for life everlasting, amen." We know that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist, and that the Eucharist is His body and blood. To use Catholic terminology, when we receive the Eucharist, we receive His "body, blood, soul and divinity". However, the Byzantines are content to let the exact details of how that is just be a mystery. We look at the Romans and their attempts to come up with explanations about the Faith and say "Dude, CHILL! You don't have to have a metaphysical, logical explanation for literally everything!"Taking out transubstantiation for a moment. I don't know if your Church believes that.
To a Byzantine mind, the Eucharist is for eating, not adoring, even if Christ is truly present in the Eucharist.Eucharist Adoration. That, I have not wrapped my brain around yet. In Mass, it's easier because everything is in motion. When you come alone to adore the Eucharist, there is no body.
Oh, you don't know the half of it. I don't either, anyway...Kinda making it complicated, are ya?
I would add that the Son is the Creator, as per John 1:3. The Father is the Source of the Trinity, as He begets the Son and it is from the Father that the Holy Spirit proceeds (John 15:26).God (creator/being). Son (savior/human). Holy spirit (Life/Breathe of god).
It depends on how you define "divine". The word "divine" can either mean "of/for God" (like the Divine Liturgy), or it can mean "being God", such as with the members of the Trinity. In my mind, "divinity" is solely associated with the latter definition.All are divine; divinity doesn't make one god.
Lol, were this a thread about the intercession of the Saints, I could make a couple qualifiers here. But I won't. But yes, you're right, Mary and the Saints are divine, in the sense that they are of/for God, but they do not possess Divinity, i.e. the quality of being God.Like Mary is divine and so are the saints. Just they aren't saviors, that's the difference.
What do you mean by "holocaust"?God sent a human savior. Human savior physically dies and spiritually resurrected with new body. When he rises in spirit, the spirit of him goes to apostles in the holocaust. Holy is just an adjective. Spirit the working force of god. I still haven't defined creator/being. I'm an atheist. I have no clue what god is just who he represents in christianity only.
This is a tongue twister.
...in His full and unadulterated glory without frying us to a crisp. Otherwise yes.Creator and Son are (two people) together, one a creator and the other a human being, a savior. (Savior has to be human. God can't be in the presence of humans.
So did God decide to be a human, or did God create a human to be His image? If you ask a Catholic or an Orthodox that question, we would answer the former.The only way "he" can is to be a human. Not god-man.) Since the bible says "image of" we know that the creator didn't turn into a human but made a human in the image of or likeness of his character. He is still all human. Not god-man. (Sounds sci-fi to tell you honestly)
Let me know if you ever decide to visit it.Haha. No christian has yet to like my word choice. I was thinking if I went back into the Church, I'd go to an Orthodox one. We have one Greek Orthodox Church near here.
#americanproblemsEverything is protestant or Roman.
Yes, but how that is we don't exactly know or attempt to explain. We don't use the Roman Catholic explanation of "accidents and essence" to try and rationalize it. We just let it be what it is.How can you be human/flesh in heaven but then flesh on earth at the same time? Does your Church believe the Eucharist is the actual blood and body of christ (probably where our hang up is)?
Yes, we admit the guilt of our sins, and then our sins are blotted out and erased by God's mercy when we receive absolution.That makes sense. I'd say that every confession we are judged, blessed, and forgiven.
Perhaps I misspoke. I said the cosmos itself would be redeemed--i.e. the physical universe. IDK how the Judgement will play out for all the people in the cosmos, but I can hope that all are saved and none are lost.The last part, I never heard it redemption for all people of the cosmos. Why be judged if all would be redeemed?