Righteousness

[Fool]

Why do christians who worship Jesus, not worship the other righteous? like melchi-zedek? noah? job? et-al.

Psalm 110:4
The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

 

[Thief]

the key word.....Christ
the Anointed One

sent of/by God

Redeemer and Savior

Son of God

 

[Skwim]

My guess would be that Jesus was a god of sorts, and that only gods are worthy of worship; however, there's the command that
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Soooooooo the Jesus stands alone.

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[Fool]

My guess would be that Jesus was a god of sorts, and that only gods are worthy of worship; however, there's the command that
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Soooooooo the Jesus stands alone.

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melchisedec was the son of god without a mother, or a father


3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

adam was also the son of god.

Luke 3:38
Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

 

[Skwim]

melchisedec was the son of god without a mother, or a father

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Hebrews 7:3 (NIV)
Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

Hebrews 7:3 (NCV)
No one knows who Melchizedek’s father or mother was, where he came from, when he was born, or when he died. Melchizedek is like the Son of God; he continues being a priest forever.​

So nah, I'm thinking that even being a son of a god, as you assert, doesn't cut it. Ya gotta be god, in whole or part, or however the trinity thing works.

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[Fool]

Hebrews 7:3 (NIV)
Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God, he remains a priest forever.

Hebrews 7:3 (NCV)
No one knows who Melchizedek’s father or mother was, where he came from, when he was born, or when he died. Melchizedek is like the Son of God; he continues being a priest forever.​

So nah, I'm thinking that even being a son of a god, as you assert, doesn't cut it. Ya gotta be god, in whole or part, or however the trinity thing works.

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all is made in the image of god, or resembling god.

Colossians 1:15
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

and

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

thats the reason that david said:

Psalms 82:6
"I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.'

god doesn't show favoritism. he makes the sunshine and rain to fall on both the just and unjust.

those that are born of flesh, are flesh. those that are born of Spirit, are spirit.

unless we are born of water and Spirit, like genesis 1:3, then we can't enter into heaven. no one can go up to heaven except the one who came down from heaven.

or

Ecclesiastes 12:7
7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

 

[DavidFirth]

Why do christians who worship Jesus, not worship the other righteous? like melchi-zedek? noah? job? et-al.

Psalm 110:4
The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Ever heard of the first commandment? Let me refresh your memory. We are to worship none but God. Jesus and God are One.

Exodus 20

2“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3“You shall have no other gods before me.

4“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

 

[Fool]

Ever heard of the first commandment? Let me refresh your memory. We are to worship none but God. Jesus and God are One.

Exodus 20

2“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3“You shall have no other gods before me.

4“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

the kingdom of God comes from within, God is omnipresent in everyone and everything. this is why the 2nd is like the first, or to love self and the second is to other like self. this is how I and the Father are One.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'


God is not separate from his creation, creation is within God. nothing exists apart from god

Jeremiah 23:23-24
"Am I a God who is near," declares the LORD, "And not a God far off? "Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.

where would you appoint god to be? how is a human able to define and qualify god?

Isaiah 66:1
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that you will build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

 

[Thief]

where is it written?.....ye ARE gods!

 

[Fool]

where is it written?.....ye ARE gods!

psalms 82:6
or can be understood

you gods

 

[LuisDantas]

As I pointed out in another thread of yours, I don't think there is a clear definition of worship.

However, it seems that many Christians and Muslims believe otherwise and for some reason that eludes me find it very important to restrict worship to their one true god.

I want to guess that at some level they feel that they are creating the divine status of their objects of worship by the very act of worship, but it is really just a wild guess. I doubt worship has much of a consistent meaning among various people. For that matter, I doubt that god does as well.

Far as I am concerned, that situation is not a problem, but a solution.

What is a problem is that some people have strange expectations that somehow people would or should have fairly homogeneous understandings of the divine, the sacred and worship and how they should relate. That just can't happen, and pressuring people towards that pointless goal is destructive.

 

[DavidFirth]

the kingdom of God comes from within, God is omnipresent in everyone and everything. this is why the 2nd is like the first, or to love self and the second is to other like self. this is how I and the Father are One.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.'


God is not separate from his creation, creation is within God. nothing exists apart from god

Jeremiah 23:23-24
"Am I a God who is near," declares the LORD, "And not a God far off? "Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.

where would you appoint god to be? how is a human able to define and qualify god?

Isaiah 66:1
Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that you will build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

God is not in everyone and everything is not in God. Show me the verses that say He is in everyone and/or everything is in Him.

 

[Thief]

if I were God......
I would expect a focus of attention in my direction

 

[Fool]

As I pointed out in another thread of yours, I don't think there is a clear definition of worship.

However, it seems that many Christians and Muslims believe otherwise and for some reason that eludes me find it very important to restrict worship to their one true god.

I want to guess that at some level they feel that they are creating the divine status of their objects of worship by the very act of worship, but it is really just a wild guess. I doubt worship has much of a consistent meaning among various people. For that matter, I doubt that god does as well.

Far as I am concerned, that situation is not a problem, but a solution.

What is a problem is that some people have strange expectations that somehow people would or should have fairly homogeneous understandings of the divine, the sacred and worship and how they should relate. That just can't happen, and pressuring people towards that pointless goal is destructive.

the issue seems to be a reverence to personality above any other person with the same qualities. it creates a hierarchy based on a form by indirect association and not by direct actions. once the attachment is made to that form there can be no other form equal to it in action.

the problem doesn't lie in the object of admiration but with the subjective fixation on the object at the irreverence to other persons.

 

[Fool]

God is not in everyone and everything is not in God. Show me the verses that say He is in everyone and/or everything is in Him.

those who see god as somewhere, understand god as adverse to self.

john 1:3, luke 17:21

Jeremiah 23:23-24
"Am I a God who is near," declares the LORD, "And not a God far off? "Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.

God is Spirit John 4:24

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?


God is NOW.

Rev 21:3
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the temple(tabernacle) of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


Colossians 3:11
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

 

[DavidFirth]

those who see god as somewhere, understand god as adverse to self.

john 1:3, luke 17:21

Jeremiah 23:23-24
"Am I a God who is near," declares the LORD, "And not a God far off? "Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares the LORD "Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares the LORD.

God is Spirit John 4:24

1 Corinthians 3:16
Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?


God is NOW.

Rev 21:3
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the temple(tabernacle) of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


Colossians 3:11
11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

You're interpretation of those verses is way too broad. If He fills the heavens and the earth that does not make Him one with everything.

Christ is in all Christians, not in all people. He most definitely is not in unbelievers and those possessed by demons.

You're reading things into the Bible that aren't there. Just like so many do.

 

[LuisDantas]

the issue seems to be a reverence to personality above any other person with the same qualities. it creates a hierarchy based on a form by indirect association and not by direct actions. once the attachment is made to that form there can be no other form equal to it in action.

the problem doesn't lie in the object of admiration but with the subjective fixation on the object at the irreverence to other persons.

I guess I agree, but it sounds like a criticism of what may be a fairly standard, even presumably "correct" form of Abrahamic worship.

 

[Fool]

You're interpretation of those verses is way too broad. If He fills the heavens and the earth that does not make Him one with everything.

Christ is in all Christians, not in all people. He most definitely is not in unbelievers and those possessed by demons.

You're reading things into the Bible that aren't there. Just like so many do.

in your opinion, it doesn't. that is why god is adverse to self.

your god isn't omnipresent. your god is present in some places and at some times.

you have the power to be someone's friend today. there is nothing greater in all the world than that power.

 

[Fool]

I guess I agree, but it sounds like a criticism of what may be a fairly standard, even presumably "correct" form of Abrahamic worship.

people distort things for power. they magnify some and demean others. you can't profit from what you can't control.

 

[DavidFirth]

in your opinion, it doesn't. that is why god is adverse to self.

your god isn't omnipresent. your god isn't present in some places and at some times.

No, that's your opinion. The Bible is not objective, it means what it means. If you can't understand it then that is your problem and you'll have to deal with it. If you refuse correction then you deserve what your erroneous thinking brings you. Good luck.