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Missing Gospels?

Sanzbir

Well-Known Member
It has been alleged by Bible conspiracy theorists that there are gospels that were submitted to be included in the Bible, but were decided not to be included because they did not portray Jesus as divine, but as a man.

It's not a very good conspiracy theory, considering that of the gospels that were included, only one (John) really even touches on the subject of Jesus being more than man, and you need to read between the lines to even get to that interpretation.

If there was a conspiracy to exclude books that did not portray Jesus as God, it wasn't a very good one, seeing as three books seem to have made their way into the canon anyways.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It has been alleged by Bible conspiracy theorists that there are gospels that were submitted to be included in the Bible, but were decided not to be included because they did not portray Jesus as divine, but as a man. These include Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of Mary, and the Gospel of Judas, of which fragments have allegedly been found. Others supposed to have gone completely missing include the Gospel of Matthias, the Gospel of Perfection, the Gospel of the Seventy, the Dialogue of the Savior, the Gospel of the Twelve, the Gospel of the Hebrews, the Gospel of the Nazarenes, the Gospel of Bartholomew, the Secret Gospel of Mark, and the Gospel of Eve.

What are your thoughts on a group of men deciding rather than to include all gospels in the holy writ, to simply discard these gospels. Do you think this may have had a significant impact on Christianity as it is today?


Edited to remove the "First Council of Nicaea" reference because @Augustus is correct.

1,500-Year-Old Bible Found In Turkey States That Jesus Not The Son of God And Was Not Crucified At All
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
But deifying someone first starts off as this kind of "mythic", though.
Yes, however there were christians at the time, and immediately afterward, the resurrection date. There wasn't a normal myth creating parameters for the individual.

Usually the 'mythic' theory, myth from /man, or myth from plain rabbi, what have you, do not demonstrate an accurate grasp of christian ideas, and where and when they are noted, so forth.
/the "trinity",
This is a church description of the deific nature of Jesus, not a presented theory outside the concept of a deific Jesus. We know this not only from plain religious inference /xians believe that Jesus is God, it is also noted in that deific Jesus in more plain conceptualization, //modalism, Sabellianism, is considered "heresy" by the immediate later church, and this deific Jesus commonality among non church christians, is even noted as the norm. This doesn't supoort church 'myth making'; if anything the established *european church was trying to make Jesus less deific.

*this follows the "crucifixion" fixation, ie Jesus on the cross, that we encounter in standard church symbology》 man or man sacrifice emphasis



 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Ok so you don't find it productive to educate yourself. Never mind, at least some will find it interesting so I'm content.
It's that it was so filled with holes... not sure where the education was.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Yes, however there were christians at the time, and immediately afterward, the resurrection date. There wasn't a normal myth creating parameters for the individual.
Arguable, since there were no Christians until named so, after Hellenization, because the original "Christians" were just Jews saying they followed "the Way".
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It's that it was so filled with holes... not sure where the education was.

Are you sure its not the couple of hundred different versions of the christian Bible that is not full of hole's?

Its certainly got the Catholic church in a tiz.

And of course it apples directly to the title of this thread.
 

cbullion

Member
It has been alleged by Bible conspiracy theorists that there are gospels that were submitted to be included in the Bible, but were decided not to be included because they did not portray Jesus as divine, but as a man. These include Gospel of Peter, the Gospel of Mary, and the Gospel of Judas, of which fragments have allegedly been found. Others supposed to have gone completely missing include the Gospel of Matthias, the Gospel of Perfection, the Gospel of the Seventy, the Dialogue of the Savior, the Gospel of the Twelve, the Gospel of the Hebrews, the Gospel of the Nazarenes, the Gospel of Bartholomew, the Secret Gospel of Mark, and the Gospel of Eve.

What are your thoughts on a group of men deciding rather than to include all gospels in the holy writ, to simply discard these gospels. Do you think this may have had a significant impact on Christianity as it is today?

Edited to remove the "First Council of Nicaea" reference because @Augustus is correct.

(I think the more correct positions is that the false gospels do not give God the Glory, but instead the promote the pride of life ... ... ... ... so the notion of making a sacrifice or cutting off "Dead Work and Dead Flesh" is underplayed.)
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? First Council of Nicaea = Assisted Suicide Program (Jesus was given vinegar and scourged) (I can't guarantee the when and where, when they take their lives by using force against me, so I won't have the cooperation of the authorities, the only thing I can guarantee is euthanasia based on the level of force, its your choice to make that happen and see what happens (only alternative is to encourage them to do more against me, if the Antichrist is the Law, that is God's Intention).

?Gospel of Peter= he betrayed Jesus over the dish that was dipped at the last supper, for that reason some hold this as the rectum, and the birth of homosexuality (God later rebuked Peter with the Parable of Unclean Animals)

?Gospel of Mary=Sterilization of the Reproductive Organs, and or abortions, (This is an issue about the timing of when the women arrived to the tomb of jesus, they saw an angel, but some hold that this was a fetus)

?Gospel of Judas/Gospel of Matthias=With Judas specifically I want to say the controversy of Canaan where Abraham was allowed to make a field of blood to solicit God, however, its just the deadly head wound in the new testament (Nguyen Van Lem)...........With Matthias specifically perhaps radiation is given value (Jesus withered the fig tree) (Edward Leedskalnin)

?Gospel of Seventy=Wise Men of Jesus marked 70 years to the temple's destruction, and the same is true to Roswell and the 153 Days of Star Wormwood?

Long Story Short, the gospel does reverence several "books" that it does not include. The reason for that is the ceremonial laws of the 10 Commandments are not observed, when Jesus said to simply Love God by observing the Written Word, and Love Yourself by observing the Chastisement to your Person the Gospel Implies.

These books however the Gospel does not refer to, all seem to deal with "Dead Work and Dead Flesh"

(God does not guarantee a plague, nor does God guarantee a display of his mercies or a Sign of Divorce for that Matter before the 153 Days of Star Wormwood and Global Euthanasia, that is why the Bible does not officially reference these positions, it is under the summary in revelations of "Adding to or Removing" from the Gospel's Law)

(For this reason, Christians Claim that a Sign or a Vision is a Hersey, and evidence of being God's Enemy, I don't dispute that position, right now there is the heresy of 8/21 to 9/23, nothing can happen, but we should still understand that position in the grand scheme of things and we have, the conclusion is simply (stop using lethal force against me, stop using any level of force against me at all) (Secondarily, its too late, Genetic Dan has not been used effectively as a resource as the gospel indicates, I'll just leave that as a statement, everything is over and done, finished)
 
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Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Are you sure its not the couple of hundred different versions of the christian Bible that is not full of hole's?

Its certainly got the Catholic church in a tiz.

And of course it apples directly to the title of this thread.

We have the Greek versions that can fill the holes. It doesn't change the reality that the document mentioned is the OP is full of holes.
 

cbullion

Member
(Other than, "Adding to and Removing" mentioned in Revelations, Jesus made a deliberate statement about "Writing in the Sand", beyond this, the Apostles allowed the "Richman" that disputed the body of Lazarus to take the body of Jesus and bury it in the tomb..........................Most of the publications mentioned or referenced in the OP, were fashioned in the New Testament, I don't think that is a coincidence. Is there another instance of this in the gospel? "Three Thousand Souls" were saved by performing "Works", Acts 2:41, possible prelude to the "corporation" (God already cut off Peter/Aaron Spiritually as God's Enemy with the Clucking of the Roster Three Times) ...................Finally, " handkerchiefs instead of the gospel is used to heal the sick", Acts 19:12......................that is 5 times at least God allows a False or Missing Gospel to answer the Gospel's Law, to answer the gospels 5 contradictions in the new testament...............(Assisted Suicide can be connected to the Richman taking the body of Jesus, when we get to the Sign of Divorce, you will have no choice but to do that, right now, they way they take their lives globally is in part based on the force they use against the Antichrist, as a base measurement of "Joseph the Blessings" .................. so its a variant of human based rabies you are observing in the body as a result of hyperdimension, not a clear association to a virus or illness, so its a much better and potent form of hiv/aids/rabies, so there is some degree of logic behind the OP and New Testament Transition) (I should have some degree of media coverage in the near future, then the body counts for the ethnics will be increased like 2013 to 2014, when pockets of corpses here and there were found in the City of Philadelphia, because of the magnitude and frequency of the force used against me by the ethnic people)

(Satan's War with God, Evolving into a more direct "Pain for Pain" association with Genetic Dan and the Nations.................God's Mercies used as a picture of facilitating the last remnant, so the earth is not the focal point of god's mercies......................Notice the shift in God allowing "Joseph the Blessings" of which Jesus is the head to be involved in your blasphemy, until the events of revelations, this was only acted out from time to time in the gospel. I believe regardless of the fact that your suffering and pain will be increased globally by your own hands, you will continue to do this to yourselves indefinitely if and until God decides to bring a sign of divorce the last 1260 Days Cycle

1. 1260 Flight 370 (Pain for Pain with Joseph hits a Climax)
2. 1260 "33 Degrees for 33 Days"" (Pain for Pain takes more direct role with Genetic Dan)
3. 1260 "Sign of Divorce" (Pain for Pain reaches a climax with Genetic Dan)

we'll just have to keep watch, as we will be answered in the next few days, euthanasia only keeps them tamed god performs in the the antichrist's name, that is a clue about your behavior) (you are observing God's limitation of tolerating euthanasia based on the force you use against me, in your willingness to take your own lives, even if that is true, all of this is in part based on the expression of Joseph, which is only at a base level by reason of the two witness equation, so there is much to be done) (true and this happens, frequently, ethnic people will walk right up to me, hurt me or something, sometimes nothing, and then fall down dead or begin to hurt people, until lethal force is used) (there are levels of pain for pain you have not achieved with me, maybe that is because you are the enemy of god's will, but we'll see how this all concludes in a few days for sure)
 
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McBell

Resident Sourpuss
I believe the Holy Spirit ultimately decided scripture by inspiring men to write it. It was not arbitrarily decided by a group of men, but men moved by the Spirit chose the Biblical canon.

"Extra gospels" that were rejected were rejected because they were not inspired by the Spirit of God. Of course unbelievers don't believe that but unbelievers have no business deciding what is and is not scripture, anyway, so what they think about what they don't believe doesn't matter.
One wonders how you explain the fact that there are books quoted by the Bible that are not in the Bible?
Jasher for instance:
Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.


2 Samuel 1:18
(Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)​
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
One wonders how you explain the fact that there are books quoted by the Bible that are not in the Bible?
Jasher for instance:
Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.


2 Samuel 1:18
(Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)​

That has nothing whatever to do with my post.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
We have the Greek versions that can fill the holes. It doesn't change the reality that the document mentioned is the OP is full of holes.


All Bibles are full of holes

There are no original bibles, the oldest surviving manuscript is the Codex Sinaiticus, believed to be written in 4th century. It omits much that is "gospel" in newer versions, including the resurrection. Which incidentally this new find also omits.
 
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