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Can Christianity move beyond its inherent homophobia?

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
That all depends on which law Christ Jesus was referring to ?

Look in Matthew 5:17 Jesus said, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets". Ok, but here's the question, Jesus didn't say which law that is. But there is law that Jesus is speaking about, and it's not the Ten Commandment law that man teachings will say it is.

Now if you go to the book of Matthew chapter 5 and start reading from Verse 3 to Verse 16 Ok Now in Verse 17 Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law or the prophets" Ok

Now in Verse 19 Jesus said, "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments
What least commandments, The ones Jesus just gave you back in Verse's 3 to 16. If you break one of these least commandments.
Do you really not know who the prophets are? What law? Probably the only one recognized in the Bible. God's law, which the prophets wrote out. Jesus said he did not come to do away with those things.
To be honest, Christians should be thanking the LGBTQ community for making their religion better and moving them closer to that path of love and forgiveness.
How did they make it better? It still has the cruel, absurd, and inhumane passages, teachings, and commandments. Some churches may be better, some Christians may be better, but it's still the same old dogmatic book that would best be left to history.

 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
"Are you going to challenge his power?"

Obviously. . . .:rolleyes: I thought that much would have been easily apparent. Yes, I challenge the power of your god and I'll sit right here waiting for his lighting bolt, at least until I get bored.
I don't mind keeping your company if you give a beer. It has been a long time, but, it should be coming around the corner now. Soon. Very soon. How soon? ?. . .

I hope when the hammer comes down, I am left sipping my beer.
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
Having laws to be observed inherently means you do not have the freedom to do as you will. And, honestly, what's the point of having free will if you're going to be punished for using it?

Then why did god make it where some people have no conscience and can kill with ease, why does he permit holocausts and genocides, and so many people being put into a position of steal food or starve?

Is god so petty that he has to punish people and retaliate against them in this life and the next?
There is only this life. After it - big fat Zero. For those judged wicked, this Zero is for all eternity. For the righteous, a resurrection. Free will and judgment permits God to create a paradise where the wicked have already proven what they are, and now, they are dead (will be dead).
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
Sure dude, see you here on the 22nd of August!:D The drinks are on me!
Hey! That was an example. Don't take this as a prophecy or something like that. I do not have a direct link to what is going to happen anytime, anywhere. So, have a beer, and maybe send me one, and enjoy the sunset on the 22nd. Sunrises are too early for me.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
There is only this life. After it - big fat Zero. For those judged wicked, this Zero is for all eternity. For the righteous, a resurrection. Free will and judgment permits God to create a paradise where the wicked have already proven what they are, and now, they are dead (will be dead).
Cool! I don't want eternal life in your god's terms anyways.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
There is only this life. After it - big fat Zero. For those judged wicked, this Zero is for all eternity. For the righteous, a resurrection. Free will and judgment permits God to create a paradise where the wicked have already proven what they are, and now, they are dead (will be dead).

Cool! I don't want eternal life in your god's terms anyways.
Good grief. :facepalm:
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I could say the same in regards to how often you change religions.
That's not how I meant it, so there's no need to be rude with me. I was actually more thinking about how the other poster is making Christianity look bad and it makes me feel sad to see such a response elicited.
 
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Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
As a Christian, shouldn't you be there with open arms even if he doesn't change his mind about Jesus?
Open arms and moving aside quickly when you get near the cliff so you can run unhindered over the brink. ha ha (beer in hand, wicked glint in eye, and steel enforced boots in case you need assistance with a kick in a-derriere to get over the brink.)
 

Grandliseur

Well-Known Member
Why on Earth wouldn't God punishing someone be seen as a punishment?
Just giving you a choice of perspective. As Christ said, he isn't judging anybody, their own words have already judged them. Sometimes you need a mirror, other times, a different outlook.
If I think of punishment, I kind of expect to be alive thereafter. A consequence can be death or in between.

Life and death is as Shakespeare said, 'to be or not to be.' Death is the return to not being.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Open arms and moving aside quickly when you get near the cliff so you can run unhindered over the brink. ha ha (beer in hand, wicked glint in eye, and steel enforced boots in case you need assistance with a kick in a-derriere to get over the brink.)
Yeah. There is no way to show that such behavior is condoned by Jesus, but rather plenty of passages to show the opposite.
And your "a-derrière," the a- part means without or lacking, so basically your last sentence means you kick in "without an ***" to get over the brink.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
"Therefore?"

I know from my studies of the Civil Rights movement that a negative disposition towards the LGBTQ community from Christians will likely play a role in driving people away from the religion, whether Christianity is deserving of it or not. It is simple stereotyping, Jay, people will judge the religion based on the loudest image of it.

The world is growing to be more accepting of homosexuals, and I would like to think they are also growing more intolerant of prejudice and bigotry, if any of that is true it could very well have a negative impact on Christianity if the religion can't acclimate quickly enough to these changes. However it is somewhat true, that homosexuality does seem to be playing a part in ending "traditional" Christian views, one way or another.

The truth is that the LGBTQ community won the war against the bigotry in the Christian community a long time ago. It was merely a boulder we had to get rolling and now that is moving it cannot be stopped, my questions is: Can Christians get out of the way of that boulder, or will they get steam rolled? You say "obliviously", but I don't share your confidence, as such social changes take a long time to reach their end and there simply is not enough reliable date to make a dependable prediction of where this is going. I do know one thing, the world is changing and things that can't keep up tend to get left behind.
Including LGBT Christians working from within the religion.[/QUO

It's not the world that is changing, It's the democratic party, The democratic party is a swing party, The democratic party will swing in which way to get the most votes, if it's the LGBT, The democratic party will swing that way if it's Atheists, democratic party will swing that way, If it's the Christians the democratic party will swing that way.

What this means is, That the democratic party has no set course in which to go nor have any agenda to which they themselves will stand on, it all depends on which the wind blows or where's the votes are.this is the democratic party.

Look Hillary Clinton when campaiging, she went right to the big cities, where in are LGBT and Atheists live the most. That's how democrates think. See that work in the pass elections, but it didn't work this time.

All because even the LGBT and Atheists are not willing to work to pay out their Tax dollars to Illegal immigrants nor to Muslims, while LGBT and Atheists can not get a dam thing from the democratic party that they supported. While all these others come here and get whatever they ask for.

Look at the black communitys, the democratic party helps out those Illegal immigrants and Muslims, while they sit in Proverty.Is it any wonder why blacks didn't come out in the support of Hillary, even though Obama was out campaiging hard for her?


Because the black communitys had enough of Obama's agenda and black communitys did not want another 4 years of Obama's agenda no more.

The democratic is like, having a nice fruit but once you bite into it, Oh there's a worm in it.

You didn't see it, until it's to late you already took it to be nice, then the worm appeared.to late sucker you been had.

The LGBT and Atheists thought Hillary was the greatest thing ever to come and the democratic party,
All the democratic party wants is to be your dictatorship Government.
You don't tell the democratic party what you want or how you want to live your life.

The democratic well tell you what's up and how you live your life according on what they say and not what you say or want.
 
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Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
It's not the world that is changing, It's the democratic party, The democratic party is a swing party, The democratic party will swing in which way to get the most votes, if it's the LGBT, The democratic party will swing that way if it's Atheists, democratic party will swing that way, If it's the Christians the democratic party will swing that way.

What this means is, That the democratic party has no set course in which to go nor have any agenda to which they themselves will stand on, it all depends on which the wind blows or where's the votes are.this is the democratic party.

Look Hillary Clinton when campaiging, she went right to the big cities, where in are LGBT and Atheists live the most. That's how democrates think. See that work in the pass elections, but it didn't work this time.

All because even the LGBT and Atheists are not willing to work to pay out their Tax dollars to Illegal immigrants nor to Muslims, while LGBT and Atheists can not get a dam thing from the democratic party that they supported. While all these others come here and get whatever they ask for.

Look at the black communitys, the democratic party helps out those Illegal immigrants and Muslims, while they sit in Proverty.Is it any wonder why blacks didn't come in the support of Hillary, even though Obama was out campaiging hard for her?

Because the black communitys had enough of Obama's agenda and black communitys did not want another 4 years of Obama's agenda no more.
Go Figure

I am sorry, but the data just does not back up that ridiculous conclusion you got going there.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Look Hillary Clinton when campaiging, she went right to the big cities, where in are LGBT and Atheists live the most. That's how democrates think. See that work in the pass elections, but it didn't work this time.
Is that why more people voted for Hillary than Trump?
Because the black communitys had enough of Obama's agenda and black communitys did not want another 4 years of Obama's agenda no more.
The black community more voted for Hillary than Trump. Trump's real only consistent demograph/support group was white men.
All because even the LGBT and Atheists are not willing to work to pay out their Tax dollars to Illegal immigrants nor to Muslims
The only thing inherently held in common by any single-letter of LBGT is belonging to that group, much like the only thing atheists inherently have in common is their shared atheism. Such as, because neither group holds any official policy, atheists can be Socialist or a Randian Libertarian, just as someone of the LBGT group can be either Democrat or Republican. Saying such, it's as inaccurate as saying "Christians confess their sins to a priest" without acknowledgement that many denominations of Christianity do not go to a priest for confession.
 
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