Why did you leave Christianity?

[Hella Jingles]

Why did I leave Christianity. In simple detail.

I would rather respect a god who does not ask for worship while giving advice, over a god who kills children before demanding you give worship.

Odin does not require worship, nor does he ask for it.

 

[Hella Jingles]

How many people realize Capital G God is one of the most violent gods in lore.

Sure Zeus is married to his sister.
Sure Odin is a warrior.
But God. He'll watch himself die to decide he wants to forgive you. He'll kill your kid with a disease then harden your heart so you can't agree to his terms even though he expects you to agree to his terms. Even Satan isn't actually evil compared to God.
Angels compared to humans are slaves, or animals, make your pick. Either Angels have free will and can't use it or become demons, or they don't have free will and are animals. The very fact that Lucifer turned against God proves angels are both sentient and free to act as they want, however doing anything God doesn't stamp with approval has a possible punishment. Just for standing up for his fellow Angel's rights as living creatures Satan was struck down and stamped the ultimate person to hate for all eternity, sounds like something Stalin would do.

 

[Hawkins]

So what remains of "you" the person full of thoughts, both evil and good, memories of things said and done both evil and good? Is it even "you" anymore? Consider this; Christians believe there is no unhappiness in heaven, but if "I" get to heaven knowing that people I love are suffering in hell, I'm not going to be happy. If the "thing" in heaven that used to be me is happy, then it isn't me anymore is it? It is a facsimile of me, an eternal happy robot that has had independent thought and memory wiped out of its memory banks. So why should I care about going to heaven, because it won't be me anymore, correct? I'll be a 'new creation', from what you say an eternally joyous android?

No trick questions David, I've never heard satisfactory answers to those questions, that's all. I think the idea of eternal bliss, or eternal conscious torment are deeply flawed concepts, I don't think they are even coherent. Interested to hear how you join the dots yourself.

Earthly emotion is something belonging to the spirit, not the soul. That's why in Heaven, we have only brothers and sisters but not any other kind of earthly emotions. In contrary, in Hades you won't feel anything about your daughter or mother. It by no means says that you have no memory of them. It means that you no longer have the emotion/affection for them.

God is love. Without God, that is when you are separated from Him, there is no longer any form of love. Your soul is still your soul to keep your memory, but the spirit with your earthly love will return to God. That's actually how 'our tears are wiped off.

Hell is about whether one is with God or not. It's called a permanent separation from God. Similarly to love, one in such a separation can no longer benefit anything from God.Our natural environment, by an advocate, is not actually natural. It's God-made instead. Hell is more of a natural environment as a result of lacking God's maintenance. It boils down to a justification by Law to pull any souls out of that environment. The justification is the second crucifixion of Christ. God however declares Himself as the God of the living but not the God of the dead. It means that God will not sacrifice Jesus the second time to justify the pulling out of the souls in hell (the natural environment).

 

[Hawkins]

Why did I leave Christianity. In simple detail.

I would rather respect a god who does not ask for worship while giving advice, over a god who kills children before demanding you give worship.

Odin does not require worship, nor does he ask for it.

There's reason why God demands worship. He demands worship simply because only those worshiping Him can live long. The common path for those, such as Satan, leave God all starts with not worshiping God.

Not worshiping God --> not loving God --> pride starts --> sin starts --> leaving God

So in order to stop this chain reaction, He demands it in the first step to worship God.

Human's judgment of morality is based on how one's body is treated. God's judgment of morality is based on how one's soul should be treated. If you die as children, you won't be able to be judged by Law since you are not mature enough to be judged. If you die as an adult Law will send you to hell. So dying as children may not be a bad thing from God's perspective in a sense that each and every human will have to die once, and not a particularly way of dying is more advantageous than another.

So God will eliminate an ethnic group in the case that Law will in the end send them to hell, while they are standing in God's way of saving more humans. Say, the Canaanites are hopeless because they worship idol gods and kill their own children to worship Baal. They will thus wind up in hell. However they kill the Jews such that if the Jews are wiped out, no humans can be saved. Humankind will thus wind up in hell. God's job is to stop that by eliminating them from the surface of earth. God's effort is in saving one from an eternal hell, instead of a body in his earthly period of time.

You are using your human intelligence to judge the good or bad of God. That's why it is said in Genesis that the day you eat of it, the same day you shall surely die. That's about one of the multi-fold prophecy of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil.

 

[The Holy Bottom Burp]

Earthly emotion is something belonging to the spirit, not the soul. That's why in Heaven, we have only brothers and sisters but not any other kind of earthly emotions.

Right, so its not me anymore then is it? If my wife, husband, children, siblings, parents etc. are in hell, and I'm devoid of emotion about it that isn't me!

In contrary, in Hades you won't feel anything about your daughter or mother. It by no means says that you have no memory of them. It means that you no longer have the emotion/affection for them.

Right, just like we'll be devoid of emotion/affection for them in heaven right? Heaven and hell remarkably similar!

God is love. Without God, that is when you are separated from Him, there is no longer any form of love. Your soul is still your soul to keep your memory, but the spirit with your earthly love will return to God. That's actually how 'our tears are wiped off..

Our tears are wiped away by having our emotional centre surgically removed and "returned to god" (whatever that means)? Emotion, I would argue, is quintessential to the human experience of existence. Without it, we may as well be robots running programs, so that sounds about as appealing as a lobotomy thanks. Don't know where you are getting all this detailed stuff about the afterlife from mate, what denomination of theist are you? Never heard those sorts of claims before. Thanks for the attempt at giving me an answer to my questions, but I'm still waiting for one that explains to me how I retain my identity, and not some happy clappy android.

 

[Hella Jingles]

There's reason why God demands worship. He demands worship simply because only those worshiping Him can live long. The common path for those, such as Satan, leave God all starts with not worshiping God.

Not worshiping God --> not loving God --> pride starts --> sin starts --> leaving God

So in order to stop this chain reaction, He demands it in the first step to worship God.

Human's judgment of morality is based on how one's body is treated. God's judgment of morality is based on how one's soul should be treated. If you die as children, you won't be able to be judged by Law since you are not mature enough to be judged. If you die as an adult Law will send you to hell. So dying as children may not be a bad thing from God's perspective in a sense that each and every human will have to die once, and not a particularly way of dying is more advantageous than another.

So God will eliminate an ethnic group in the case that Law will in the end send them to hell, while they are standing in God's way of saving more humans. Say, the Canaanites are hopeless because they worship idol gods and kill their own children to worship Baal. They will thus wind up in hell. However they kill the Jews such that if the Jews are wiped out, no humans can be saved. Humankind will thus wind up in hell. God's job is to stop that by eliminating them from the surface of earth. God's effort is in saving one from an eternal hell, instead of a body in his earthly period of time.

You are using your human intelligence to judge the good or bad of God. That's why it is said in Genesis that the day you eat of it, the same day you shall surely die. That's about one of the multi-fold prophecy of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil.

You're trying to use your human intelligence to demand that God is perfectly right in all scenarios. How can you yourself judge that? Is it because your judgment is positive and mine is negative? It's still a judgment based human intelligence, which by your logic can't necessarily encompass all that is God.

For all you know God is evil yet he is good. He could be what we both described at the same time, or nothing like we think at all. You're criticizing me for making sense of something you say can't be quantified while trying to quantify it yourself. If you truly believe that we can not understand your God then neither can you. The book was written by men with human intelligence, in fact they would have had a far lower understanding of physics and the sciences than we do today. To say that there is no chance at least one person writing about somebody they never met who described something they never saw didn't misunderstand somehow, well that's a lot of ifs.

"God would never allow the word to be tainted" Yet there are over 2000 slightly to fully different denominations that all say the same thing despite having slightly different bibles and slightly different beliefs each. If God would make his word overly specific for his followers, and include as little mystery as possible, how come there are 2000 variations of Christianity (Including but not limited to Religions with the same general God such as Catholicism, Judaism, and Islam) who all believe the next variation (No matter how minorly variated) Is absolutely wrong and full of Sinners?

Now that I'm off of that tangent. my point is that I was a staunch Christian for many years. The only difference between you and me is that you refuse to even entertain these ideas as more than pious blather. But somehow human intellect is only insuficient for judging God when the judgement is negative. Pls explain.

Actually that hades crap you spewed is bull even by the bibles terms. Do you not remember the man in hell who looked up to his brother in heaven and asked for a drop of water?

Oh sure he was mindlessly searching for relief, but he recognized a friendly face and was intelligent enough despite the pain to make a plea based on prior emotions.

 

[syo]

For all the ex-Christians on here, I'm curious as to why you left your religion.

to rediscover it.

 

[gypsy mama]

Wow, this is a really good thread!

I left because god is more than what Christianity as a religion will allow.

 

[Serpent Child]

After doing in-depth research, studying for myself and looking over the facts I came to the conclusion that Jesus the Christ never existed. I was also drawn to the Occult and Satan rules over the Occult. So yeah..

 

[SalixIncendium]

For all the ex-Christians on here, I'm curious as to why you left your religion. This is, by no means, meant to attack Christians for their beliefs. I'm just curious, that's all.

Having been raised by cafeteria Catholics, as a child I attended mass on the Sunday's that mass didn't interrupt my parents' schedule and occasionally attended mass with my grandmother. I attended CCD weekly. I suppose the first hit Catholicism took with me was during a classroom discussion about what happens after death. I queried the nun teaching the class about what happens to animals other than humans when they pass. I was told that animals didn't have a soul and were not admitted into the Kingdom of Heaven. This belief was in conflict with what inherently made sense to me.

Ever the curious one that needed to know more, I began to read the Bible. As I read, I continued to find items that ranged conflicted with my personal views. I began to seek out members of the clergy, but did not find any suitable answers.

As I grew into my teens, I left Catholicism began to explore other denominations of Christianity, attended different churches, and spoke with many pastors and preachers, but I was met once again with conflict with my own spirituality. Not being able to reconcile Christianity with what I knew within to be true, I left the religion altogether.

 

[whirlingmerc]

Why did I leave Christianity. In simple detail.

I would rather respect a god who does not ask for worship while giving advice, over a god who kills children before demanding you give worship.

Odin does not require worship, nor does he ask for it.

I didn't

I find it satisfying and very consistent
Climbing the mountain of God with help from the short Psalms

 

[Cody123]

I left because I even tho after 8 years I felt like an Atheist who just attended church.

I figured I would step back and try to find God "from scratch".

 

[Torah4Yah]

For all the ex-Christians on here, I'm curious as to why you left your religion. This is, by no means, meant to attack Christians for their beliefs. I'm just curious, that's all.

Christianity, I left for many reasons. First of all lets start with translations, the English bible as we know it is only about 5 times removed from the original Hebrew text. What this means is that the book Christians trust in was very poorly translated from Hebrew to Latin then to Greek them back to Latin then back to Greek then to English.

Every time it was translated a group decided what it was trying to say even if they were off in left field that is what went down on paper.

What did God say was scripture?
The Towrah, Prophets, and writings (psalms).

What did God (YHWH) (yod hey waw hey) (Yahowah) say to know how to identify his word and his instructions?
He said not a jot or tittle would fade from his word, jot's and tittle's are only found in one language HEBREW! Not Greek, not Latin.

Question?
So if that is the case and YHWH said this what does this mean for the New Testament?
It was not preserved in Hebrew so is it God's word? NO!

Now let's talk about Jesus.
The j is only 5-6 hundred years old it was originally written iesus. King James was King iames google it. There is absolutely nothing Hebrew about the name Jesus.

Latin
Iesus
Ie in Latin is (that is) or simply the
Sus in Latin is (pig sow swine)
Iesus is the pig, what are you not supposed to eat? Pork!
Has nothing to do with a plate of pork chops but has everything to do with reading and mentally digesting the writings of the pig.

What did YHWH say about the truth?
It would be FREE! Without Charge!

What did YHWH say about identifying falsehood?
They would ask for 10%
Well doesn't that just describe every church?
What was a tithe anyway???
Food and clothes for the Levites!!
Had nothing to do with money!!

So you ask well why don't they correct the English translations?
MONEY!!
A book the doesn't sound like the King James Bible isn't going to sell very well is it?

God's word is preserved as he said it would be. We have the masoretic text and the Qumran scrolls (DSS) they are 99.9% the same. Not that it will do most people any good, the reason is if you buy the DSS (Dead Sea Scrolls) off the shelf it is just as corrupt as the kjv. If you are not willing to do translations yourself or know someone that truly does them because they want the truth then good luck with that search.

You want to trust a book that removed YHWH's name seven thousand times. Btw that is what blaspheming his name really is.

The New Testament has plagerisms from Euripides Greek play Baccus ( a play about demons). This also involves Paul the false apostle. Paul is named by name in Habakkuk when properly translated as a warning ( Sha'uwl ) his real Hebrew name. In Hebrew the word She'owl (the place of seperation from God) and Sha'uwl are written the same way, when translating you have to see if a place or person is being talked about to know how to pronounce it. So Paul and the place of seperation are the same word in Hebrew.

Strongs 1167, 1168, 1168a
The LORD satans English name, why would translaters use this name / title for YHWH?

The list goes on I could write a book about why I left but this is enough. This is my opinion. On the few points I shared.

 

[shunyadragon]

I left Christianity for the same reason I found all ancient religions wanting. They were based on ancient mythology and/or old very human views toward God and Revelation. They for the most part closed the books against any future Revelation. I remained close to a non-Temple Buddhism

For all the ex-Christians on here, I'm curious as to why you left your religion. This is, by no means, meant to attack Christians for their beliefs. I'm just curious, that's all.

I left Christianity for the same reason I found all ancient religions wanting. They were based on ancient mythology and/or old very human views toward God and Revelation. They for the most part closed the books against any future Revelation. This made them out of touch with anything that would represent a Universal spirituality that is apparent in the world with or without a belief in God. I remained close to a non-Temple Buddhism I became close to in Martial Arts, because it was more timeless than other choices at the time. I am still close to this non-Temple Buddhist Way.

I at present was left with two primary choices, an agnostic/atheist world view where the evolution of our spirituality is a humanist evolution found in UU, or the Baha'i Faith where the spiritual evolution is a Progressive Divinely Revealed spiritual evolution of humanity.

At present I am a Baha'i, but everything is in pencil, because in reality I do not know.

 

[Dawnofhope]

For all the ex-Christians on here, I'm curious as to why you left your religion. This is, by no means, meant to attack Christians for their beliefs. I'm just curious, that's all.

I left Christianity and became a Baha'i because:

The Baha'i Faith appears more positive and embracing of other faiths.

The Baha'i Faith makes more sense to me than Christianity.

I believe Baha'u'llah is the return of Christ.

I have been a Baha'i over 27 years.

 

[Jesster]

I left Christianity because I kept digging deeper to know its god better on a personal level. The more I opened myself up, the more I was disappointed by my unanswered questions. One day I just realized I didn't believe anymore.