How are these Great Beings explained?

[Vinayaka]

I see an open arms Invitation to Love the One God as one human race.

Regards Tony

Yes that's how you see it. But that's not how others see it. It's like you seeing a girl that you think wants to marry you, because you want to marry her, but in reality she doesn't want to marry you. You're projectiing your own views out and onto others, which is human folly.

 

[Vinayaka]

All people draw their knowledge from the Revelations given by the Manirestations of God.

They do? News to me cause I don't. Or are you now telling me how I think?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Jesus also said why call me Good there is none good but God.

Jesus said not my will be done but Gods Will be done.

Jesus said I can so nothing but what the Father tells me to do.

Yes many things can not be explained away, reason is needed.

Regards Tony

If jesus words are from god, why would anyone who believes the gospels not believe jesus himself said he will and has been resurrected by god and returned to the father?

Symbolic flying doesnt make me fly but if there were no gravity I would fly without symbolism. God/faith is like taking the gravity away (taking away sins that hold one down) so one can literally go back to god. Would a christian's belief be symbolic if his salvation was only a symbol?

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First Corinthians 15:12-19 “Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.”
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Christ needed to be raised by god literally because in christ's resurrection as one body, so do christians who believe of themselves the same.

Its like saying your relationship with god is symbolic? So it is not real only an abstract concept with important meaning.

John 11:25-26 “Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

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Whoever believes and trust literally what he says will go to god just like him. If his rising was symbolic did he actually go back to his father? Where did he go and how is he joining the body of christ if he was never physically and spirit-ually resurrected?

Resurrsection means literal union with god. Christians believe that their physical bodies will shed and scripture says they will receive a new body, in revelations. You cant do this without the actual resurrection of christ.

Eating symbolic food does not make you full. Eating real food does. Unless christians are receiving a placebo affect and bahai are not, how is it logical that christ did not rise? How does one go to god in christianity without christ---himself.

Anyone can believe what he taught. Thats not what he is getting across.

 

[DavidFirth]

Jesus also said why call me Good there is none good but God.

Jesus said not my will be done but Gods Will be done.

Jesus said I can so nothing but what the Father tells me to do.

Yes many things can not be explained away, reason is needed.

Regards Tony

He also said, "I and my Father are one," and "He who has seen me has seen the Father." So what's your point?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

To say the Baha'i Faith is not strongly related to Islam isn't realistic. You have too many similarities. So I don't understand why you think it doesn't?

Yes, there are similarities between Islam and Bahai Faith. There are similarities between all Revelations, but Bahai Faith is not a product of Islam.
Bahai Faith was founded by Bahaullah. Bahaullah had said the period of Islamic dispensation had ended, and it was time for a new Revelation. The new Revelation has new Laws and Ordinances, which abrogats those Laws of Islam. Bahaullaha was exiled and imprisoned by the Muslims, and many of His followers were killed by Muslims, so How could it be, the Product of Islam, when the People of Islam tried all they can to destroy the New Religion?
To outward seemingly, it is correct to say, Bahai Faith was founded by Bahaullah. It was neither product of Islam, nor Israel, England or Russia. It is the Product of Bahaullah!

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No we don't. Hindus believe the essence of God can be known, In fact that's the central goal of Hinduism, the mystic precursor to moksha. I don't see how you can possibly say we agree on things when the other person doesn't agree. Doesn't it take both people to agree? If your wife wants to go to Brisbane, and you want to go to go to Darwin, it's not accurate to say 'we agree."

So unless I agree that we agree, it's not agreement at all.

It is the Word of God I agree with, given by His Messengers. This is what I look for.

Yes that's how you see it. But that's not how others see it. It's like you seeing a girl that you think wants to marry you, because you want to marry her, but in reality she doesn't want to marry you. You're projectiing your own views out and onto others, which is human folly.

I would hope it is God that projects His views and all those that want to know of God would want to find more from the source and become one with it.

If I project my view it is wothless folly.

They do? News to me cause I don't. Or are you now telling me how I think?

It is what it is, you can think how you choose to think. I wish for you all knowledge and all you are working towards in this life.

He also said, "I and my Father are one," and "He who has seen me has seen the Father." So what's your point?

The Way the Truth and the Life in Jesus is the "Christ", it is confirmed with Jesus and what He asked of Peter;

Mark 8:29And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.

Thus it is the Spirit of Christ in Jesus that is one with the Father, it is not the body and flesh of Jesus as the flesh amounts to nothing.

It is the Spiritual Christ that is the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega. It is Christ that comes in all Gods Names and in all Gods Messengers. This is how Christ is the first and the Last.

Christ has returned in the 'Glory of God' in the station of the Father, in the New Name Baha'u'llah.

The Father has come. All scripture Prophecy fulfilled.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If jesus words are from god, why would anyone who believes the gospels not believe jesus himself said he will and has been resurrected by god and returned to the father?

The answer is given in a post above to DavidFirth

Be happy Regards Tony

 

[DavidFirth]

It is the Word of God I agree with, given by His Messengers. This is what I look for.



I would hope it is God that projects His views and all those that want to know of God would want to find more from the source and become one with it.

If I project my view it is wothless folly.



It is what it is, you can think how you choose to think. I wish for you all knowledge and all you are working towards in this life.



The Way the Truth and the Life in Jesus is the "Christ", it is confirmed with Jesus and what He asked of Peter;

Mark 8:29And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ.

Thus it is the Spirit of Christ in Jesus that is one with the Father, it is not the body and flesh of Jesus as the flesh amounts to nothing.

It is the Spiritual Christ that is the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega. It is Christ that comes in all Gods Names and in all Gods Messengers. This is how Christ is the first and the Last.

Christ has returned in the 'Glory of God' in the station of the Father, in the New Name Baha'u'llah.

The Father has come. All scripture Prophecy fulfilled.

Regards Tony

I don't see it your way.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I don't see it your way.

That is good.

I would always hope and pray for you to see it in Gods Way with your own eye's

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The answer is given in a post above to DavidFirth

Be happy Regards Tony

Do you believe in the trinity?

Father and son does not mean integration. It means they both mirror each others nature. They are not each other. Here would be no And if they was only one person.

If you seen me, you have seen my mother. Since my mother is my biological mother and we share blood, we are one as family. Same as father "and" son.

You believe half the bible is symbolism but dont understand the words "and, as, of," separate two people and prepositions let us know how one is related to another

Without being integrated?

Its basic English thats why I chose not to reply to David. I dont know Bahai view that is why I asked you the question. I thought you may have a different answer.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is good.

I would always hope and pray for you to see it in Gods Way with your own eye's

Regards Tony

He sees it in god's way. Why pray for him?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I dont know Bahai view that is why I asked you the question.

This is the answer to that question;

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 113-115

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

He sees it in god's way. Why pray for him?

We all need prayers.

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This is the answer to that question;

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 113-115

Regards Tony

Can you summarize it? You may think your words are worthless compared to bahaullah but I cant speak to bahaullah only you.

Remember. I learn by experiences. Do you believe in the trinity?

Whst I say isnt opinion its the English language. Jesus always relates himself to his father. No where does he say he Is his father. If you are one, you are no longer two. He does not become god after that sentence.

Can you explain my post? I cant guess your point in bahaullahs words (and im on the bus)

 

[Vinayaka]

1) It is the Word of God I agree with, given by His Messengers. This is what I look for.

I'm sorry, Tony. It seemed to me you were saying that you and I agree. That's how it came across to me. But now that I see it's just the books you're agreeing with, it makes more sense. Of course, as you already know, I don't agree with the books, at least not most of them.

 

[Vinayaka]

We all need prayers.

Regards Tony

No we don't. The last thing I want is a Christian praying for me. The last thing an atheist wants is anyone praying for them. Most hospitals have new rules about who can pray for whom. It's rude to pray for something when that person doesn't even believe in it.

 

[Vinayaka]

That is good.

I would always hope and pray for you to see it in Gods Way with your own eye's

Regards Tony

Please don't pray for him. He doesn't want you to, and you should respect that wish.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

We all need prayers.

Regards Tony

Tony. Why did you pray for him specifically in the post he created?

You're dodging my question.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't see it your way.

I would always hope and pray for you to see it in Gods Way with your own eye's

Tony, why would you specifically tell David that you will one pray for him and two that you hope that he will see it in god's way with his own eyes?

What is he not seeing that you feel you need to pray for him to see?

This is the answer to that question;

Trying to make it simple because you're dodging my questions.

1. The trinity is explained that the father, son, and holy spirit are separate and have separate roles. They are not one because you cannot be three and one at the same time. The father is the creator. The son is the savior. The holy spirit is the love that binds the body (people-christians) in union (which means more than one) to the creator. If you are one, there is no intermediary.

Therefore, if you believe in the trinity, it cannot be the christian trinity because you see no division. In scripture, there is division. You're going off christian trinitarians not scripture.

2. In scripture, it says christians are perfect in christ because the creator has forgiven them of their sins and they are washed clean by the blood of his son.

3. The holy spirit is the spirit of christ from the pentecost. Nothing more.

4. Your link has so much flowery language that you'd have to summarize it in English. I'm not a sacred-book person. Spirituality is in you not in a book.

We all need prayers.

This is bypassing my question.

Can you explain my post? I cant guess your point in bahaullahs words (and im on the bus)

My points in the other post has not be commented on. What are your opinions on the trinity in comparison to how you see it (once you summarize it for me)?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Can you summarize it? You may think your words are worthless compared to bahaullah but I cant speak to bahaullah only you.

Remember. I learn by experiences. Do you believe in the trinity?

Whst I say isnt opinion its the English language. Jesus always relates himself to his father. No where does he say he Is his father. If you are one, you are no longer two. He does not become god after that sentence.

Can you explain my post? I cant guess your point in bahaullahs words (and im on the bus)

The Bahais believe in Bible exactly as is. The Word Trinity is not found in Bible, and has a significance which comes from the interpretation of the Mainstream Christians.

But, if instead of asking, do you believe in Trinity, you ask, Do You believe in the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Bahai answer would be a big YES.