I apologize to Muslim-UK for not replying back so quickly, but work took me away for the day, Upon my return, when I saw all that I needed to reply too, I kind-of-wished I could have done it sooner.
Muslim=UK said: Arab speaking Jews and Christians also call God, Allah, as did Aramaic speaking Jesus pbuh, (Elahi). Even the Hindus know of Allah the Most High. Surah 53 goes on to explain, these are nothing but idols and wishful thinking on the part of the Pagans.
If Christians call God Allah, it is because they do not know who God is, If they were told that your god (Allah) does not have a Son, they would know that they have been deceived into believing that one god fits all. Only in your Koran has Jesus called him Allah, in the bible he calls him Father as it should be from a Son. Hindus may know of Allah, but they do not believe in him as you do either.
Muslim-UK said: "However, Ibn Ishaq's life of Muhammad is so unashamedly hagiographical that its accuracy is questionable." (Spencer, Robert: The Truth about Muhammad, Regnery Publishers, 2006 pg. 25)
The only thing I quoted Ibn Isham's take of Muhammed life on pp.281 is the part that he was a thief and robbed caravans at Ramadan. So if he did not rob from the caravans at Ramadan, where did he steel from? The Koran 8:41 says he kept 20% of all stolen property. Other scholars that have researched the life of Muhammed have not only found most of these things to be true, but much more.
If anyone has questions to the life of Muhammed, they should research this for themselves. For myself, I've learned more than I want to know..
When I said that the Koran says this about Jesus....
"In the Koran about Jesus....chapter 3 verses 45-55, there are 10 points that the Koran makes about Jesus. The first thing it says in Arabic is that he is the Word of God, the second thing is Spirit of God, and the third is that his name is Jesus Christ. It also says that Jesus spoke when he was two years old. Later, he created a live bird with mud, and when he breathed into it, it became alive. So Jesus gave the bird life. It also says he healed a man that was blind and one that had leprosy, etc. Curiously, it says that he gave life to dead people and that Jesus went to heaven an he is still alive and will come again".
Muslim-UK said: More or less correct
When I said: So, what does the Koran say about Mohammed? In the Koran Mohammed is not the Word of God, Spirit of God, nor did he ever cure anyone or give life to the dead. He died. According to Islam, he himself is not alive now and will not come back.
Muslim-UK said: Elijah and Enoch are not dead either. When the Qur'an says Jesus pbuh is the Word and Spirit of God, so are we. Every single Human being is both Spirit and Word of God. If Jesus pbuh being born without a Father somehow makes him divine, then know History shows several Prophets/Messengers were born without male intervention too. Adam pbuh had no Father or Mother, does that make him a greater god than Jesus pbuh?
The bible says that Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11), and that “Enoch was translated that he should not see death. (Hebrews 11:5)
There are 3 heavens (2 Corinthians 12:2), not just one! The throne of God is in the 3rd heaven, where Christ says that no man has ascended to, but himself . (John 3:13)
The First Heaven is earth's atmosphere where birds fly (Genesis 1:20, Jeremiah 4:25; 34:20, Lamentations 4:19, Zephaniah 1:3). One of the Hebrew words for 'heaven' is shamayim. This same word is translated as 'sky' in the Scripture, as can be seen by comparing Genesis 7:3, “fowls also of the air” with Genesis 7:23, “fowl of the heaven” The word 'sky' and 'heaven' are used interchangeably from the same Hebrew word (Psalm 8:8). So the first heaven is synonymous with 'heights' or 'elevations.'
Exodus 19:20 says the Lord was on top of Mount Sinai when he called Moses up there, and God describes Mount Sinai as 'heaven' (Exodus 20:22, Deuteronomy 4:36). Here, everything above the ground is called 'heaven'.
If Elijah was still in heaven, why did he write a letter to the king and tell him how he was going to die about 8-10 years later. (2 Chronicles 21:12-15)
Elijah died, but the bible does not tell us how or when.
As for Enoch, the bible does tell us that he died,
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Hebrews 11:13 -These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
...that Enoch should not see death, he was talking of him being in the first resurrection, where death has no power over him, In other words, he would have eternal life, but that promise of the first resurrection has not happened yet.
Those who believe in his Son (Jesus/Yeshua) are also translated.
Colossians 1:13- Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Regarding Jesus not having a Father.....wrong again!
Luke 10:22 - All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
John 8:19 - Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
Regarding asking if Adam is greater than Jesus because he has no Father or Mother...
The answer is: not unless you have a reprobate mind and you worship the creation more than the Creator.
Muslim-UK said: The 1611 KJV translation is nothing like the Bible you have today. The 4th Century Bible is nothing like the 1611 KJV. God alone knows what the original Gospels looked like in the First Century. The true believers of Jesus pbuh were Torah observant and had their own Scriptures. They regarded Saul as a deceiver who slipped into the early Church. Forget great falling away, Christianity is cursed by God for making up the Religion and attributing it to God.
From as many translations that you say that you have, ( “There are sites that list 50+ translations side by side. is no different”) If there are no differences than why have that many translations, especially since you still have to inquire from a scholar what is said?
Being older doesn't mean it's the truth, it just means that it is older For the Torah (meaning the first five books), written in Hebrew, it is the translation of the bible that we have, I have studied each letter of the Hebrew Alephbet and even have read from it. The translations are not perfect, but the Word of God is.
Upon Conclusion: this is just one more reason why Christianity and Islam will ever reach a consensus which is what the question was in the beginning, Now we know.