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Do Muslim women believe that Islam protects women's rights more than other religions?

Akivah

Well-Known Member
You provide links to self-proclaimed experts on Islam.

Ok, let's read what some Muslim experts have to say.
Othman Al-Rawwaf, a Saudi columnist for Al-Sharq Al-Awsat wrote: To begin addressing the problem of women in Islamic countries, we must first of all recognize that the problem exists, and not delude ourselves into thinking that the situation of women in our Islamic societies is better than in other societies. It is true that Shari'a granted rights to Islamic women that are not enjoyed by Western women to this day. But everyday acts in some Islamic societies have turned these rights into conditional rights.

Sheikh Yousef Qaradhawi, one of the most influential clerics in Sunni Islam said: Beating is not suitable for every wife; it is suitable for certain wives and for other wives it is not. There is a woman who cannot agree to being beaten, and sees this as humiliation, while some women enjoy the beating and for them, only beating to cause them sorrow is suitable. "It is forbidden to beat the woman, unless it is necessary, and she 'is in a state of rebellion' against the husband and flouts him.

Egyptian Cleric Sa'd Arafat said:The prophet Muhammad said: 'Don't beat her in the face, and do not make her ugly.' See how she is honored. If the husband beats his wife, he must not beat her in the face. Even when he beats her, he must not curse her. This is incredible! He beats her in order to discipline her."In addition, there must not be more than ten beatings, and he must not break her bones, injure her, break her teeth, or poke her in the eye. There is a beating etiquette. If he beats to discipline her, he must not raise his hand high. He must beat her from chest level. All these things honor the woman.

Egyptian cleric Mazen Al-Sarsawi said: When there are problems, the solution is to give the man a free hand to discipline his family members and to control them. By no means can a woman be the head [of the family].
 

Sakeenah

Well-Known Member
If I understand this correctly, this implies verses in Quran have to be interpreted through the lens of the Hadith and its incorrect to use it alone. Would that be the general principle?

The general principle is that there are two main ways of interpretation that have been developed by scholars to understand the Quran. The first form involves explaining the Quran intra-textually, or in other words, allowing different verses from the Quran to clarify one another.The second form involves interpreting the Quran based on the example of the Prophet(hadith).
 

Sakeenah

Well-Known Member
Ok, let's read what some Muslim experts have to say.

Let's read what the Quran and the prophet have to say.

"And among His Signs is that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He put love and mercy between your hearts. Verily in that are signs for those who reflect” [Quran 30:21].

"live with your wives in kindness and equity” [4:19]

Prophet Muhammad said, “An honorable man treats women with honor and respect, and only a despicable person treats women poorly.”
Other hadith, or narrations, relate the story of a companion of the Prophet who asked the Messenger, “What do you say [advise] about our wives?” to which the Prophet replied, “Share with them the same food you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them.”
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a true Heroine…And a true women’s rights activist. She cares about (as should anyone) all women in the world. Especially the women who suffer under Islam.

 

Sakeenah

Well-Known Member
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a true Heroine…And a true women’s rights activist. She cares about (as should anyone) all women in the world. Especially the women who suffer under Islam.


That's your opinion. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is known for her anti-muslim rhetoric

For example, during a 2007 interview with Reason Magazine Ali said, “I think that we are at war with Islam” and called for Islam to be “defeated.” Later in the interview, Ali suggested that the U.S. Constitution should be amended to allow for discrimination against Muslims saying, “There were no Muslim schools when the constitution was written. There were no jihadists.”
Hirsi Ali has also referenced Islam as " a nihilistic cult of death"

So as a muslim woman I don't see her as someone who cares about my rights.I haven't seen her support muslim women organizations or go in respectful dialogue. She's not any different from other muslim critics.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
That's your opinion. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is known for her anti-muslim rhetoric

For example, during a 2007 interview with Reason Magazine Ali said, “I think that we are at war with Islam” and called for Islam to be “defeated.” Later in the interview, Ali suggested that the U.S. Constitution should be amended to allow for discrimination against Muslims saying, “There were no Muslim schools when the constitution was written. There were no jihadists.”
Hirsi Ali has also referenced Islam as " a nihilistic cult of death"

So as a muslim woman I don't see her as someone who cares about my rights.I haven't seen her support muslim women organizations or go in respectful dialogue. She's not any different from other muslim critics.

Thank you for the information. I believe I have found the interview in question. It is a long interview but well worth reading.

'The Trouble Is the West'

I believe she makes some very good points and answers the questions honestly.

Please discuss.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I'm starting to think when non-Muslim's pose questions about Islam it is not about sincere curiousity but about starting a conflict to draw other people who have disdain for Muslims and Islam to discussion.
You are 100 per cent wrong on my intentions, it was a response to the claims of a Muslim male, and an inquiry into how Muslim women see things, nothing more, nothing less.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
If a critique is to be made of any faith in the case Islam, then I would encourage people to invite Muslims to discuss these inquiries otherwise wouldn't it be just a way to complain about what we dislike?
That is precisely what was done in the OP
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
You are 100 per cent wrong on my intentions, it was a response to the claims of a Muslim male, and an inquiry into how Muslim women see things, nothing more, nothing less.

As I've stated several times here, your question or anyone's for that matter is best left for a Muslim not non-Muslims especially those that outright disagree with Islam.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
That's your opinion. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is known for her anti-muslim rhetoric

Indeed. Which is amply justified with facts.

It is dangerous and irresponsible to disregard her sober up call as caused by her anti-muslim rethoric. It is rather the other way around.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
In their zeal to protect women from harm, they've relegated them to the status of perpetual children. Constant monitoring and no personal autonomy.

I know what you mean, but children in the West are allowed to go out and enjoy themselves. We no longer see them as cheap labour and we certainly do not expect to have sex with them at all never mind on demand.

An Islamic man believes he owns his wife.

Islam and a Woman's Place
 

qalbesaleem

New Member
I don't know about most Muslim women in general, but most Muslim women I know believe Islam affords them more rights than other religions.
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
I don't believe your claim that you aren't a Muslim. Every one of your protest posts that I've seen is in defense of Islam.

To be fair, there are other posters on this forum who don't identify as Muslim but become irrational in their defence of Islam.
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
To be fair, there are other posters on this forum who don't identify as Muslim but become irrational in their defence of Islam.
To be both fair and rational, claiming that Islam protects the rights of women more than other religions is not exactly a defense of Islam. The bar is pretty low. I think that some posters are irrational in their villification of Islam.
 
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