Could Christianity and Islam ever reach a consensus?

[LuisDantas]

Your grievance is not with God, but rather with men who exercised their Free Will.

Why do you think he has any grievance with God?

It makes a lot more sense to understand this as criticism of Islaamic doctrine.

 

[Muslim-UK]

The Qur'an doesn't give any details related to the "alleged" death of Allah's most powerful prophet, death that caused the largest religion in the world to be founded? And you don't see any problem with that?

Most powerful prophet ever? Where did you get that from? 124,000 Messengers were sent all with miracles, and if you read various Histories recorded in many civilisations, there have been a number of people born of a virgin, able to do miracles, raise the dead etc

Say, "We have believed in Allah and in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Descendants, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus and to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him." Qur'an 3:84

Here's how the Qur'an portrays the events: Allah sent Jesus to Earth as a prophet to preach and improve the teachings of The Torah.

Says he came to confirm the Torah, but was also given the Gospel containing guidance and a relaxation of some of the previous prohibitions.

Jesus preached (according to the Qur'an) most of His life, He chose several disciples, He instructed them what to do and what to teach people.

Mentions nothing about him preaching most of his life. It says he defending his mother from slander, as he spoke from the crib. Had he not set them straight, they would no doubt have sought to stone her for adultery.

Then Allah took Jesus up to heaven alive and someone was made to look like Jesus and was crucified instead of Jesus (why or how or by who's will The Qur'an doesn't say),

Some of your accounts say, Jesus pbuh asked one of his disciples to take his place, others say Judas was crucified for his treachery, and some thought it was Simon of Cyrene that was killed. Whoever it was felt no pain, was taken down within 6 hours and is now in Heaven.

Recall Abraham pbuh was thrown on a fire, and it was cool for him.

Why the Midrash has Abraham Thrown into Nimrod’s Furnace - TheTorah.com

and then all of Jesus' disciples were killed before they could tell the world that Jesus wasn't crucified (despite the fact that The Bible shows that the disciples traveled and preached The Gospel in many countries),

The Church tells you they were killed, but there's no evidence. They could have travelled the World looking for the lost sheep of Israel as instructed by Jesus pbuh. One of them is apparently buried in Kashmir having travelled around the Indian Subcontinent preaching the Gospel. They had a minimum of Tens of Thousands of followers.

and then some random guy named Saul, who was a member of the group of people who hated Jesus, decided to change his name to Paul and pretend to be a follower of Jesus, risking his life and abandoning his wealth, being willing to be beaten and jailed just so he can preach a false gospel. Why?

No idea, his original letters are lost, and what we have left are mostly cut and pasted, others are complete fabrications. 22 books of the NT have his fingerprints on them.

Again, the Qur'an doesn't say why. Was it satan who made him do this? Was it Allah? Nobody know. So, what do we have in the end?

Well you have a religion cooked up the Roman Church, which you happily follow, so can't be all bad.

The Qur'an portrays Jesus as a failed prophet whose teachings were misinterpreted immediately after He was taken to Heaven, and whose disciples failed to spread His words

Wrong, it says his followers were made victorious.

until Muhammad came 600 years later to clarify things.

To those Christians who worshipped partners besides God.

So, what did Jesus' ministry on Earth result in? A false religion that sends billions of people to hell because of the teachings of a few hundred people from almost two millennia ago. Why did Allah send a prophet Who involuntarily is the object of worship for billions of people and Who wasn't capable of choosing any disciples who could carry on His words after His ascension to Heaven? The Qur'an doesn't say.

There are over 1 Billion Hindus who despite being taught Monotheism choose to believe in Millions of Gods. Man has free will, and will be led astray by a few corrupt people. It's not like people don't have a brain to think things through, read up on history and decide for themselves.

Oh boy! The Qur'an sure sounds like a big confusing mess when it comes to this topic.

The confusion is with you in your attempt to justify worship of a man who made clear he had a God that he prayed to.

Likewise Buddha didn't ask for worship, but 100's of Millions made him a God using their free will.

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Most powerful prophet ever? Where did you get that from?

I got that from Dr. Nader Pourhassan, who cites surahs 2:253, 3:42-46, and 59, saying that:

Moslem religious leaders try to isolate Muhammad from all other prophets by saying, "God kept the best for last." Again, this directly contradicts the Koran's teachings. The Koran says that some prophets have been given more than others - that some even talk to God. The example it gives is that of Jesus Christ, not Muhammad…

These passages clearly show that God considered Jesus to be His best prophet, not Muhammad. After all, Jesus revealed himself to be a prophet from childhood, while Muhammad was not inspired until he was forty years old. The Koran relates a number of miracles from Jesus' childhood, but says nothing of this phase of Muhammad's life. The name "Christ" is also used. Unlike Jesus, Muhammad was not a special messenger of God, but a mere helper, who brought justice to the world, and glorified the name of Jesus by setting the record straight about his deeds on earth. His mission was also to eliminate the corruption of the message of those prophets who had gone before him. On the other hand, of Jesus it is said that he was created in a similar way to Adam…

Bear in mind that when God announced His creation of Adam to the angels He commanded them to bow to him. (Pourhassan, The Corruption of Moslem Minds [Barbed Wire Publishing, Las Cruces, New Mexico 2002], pp. 34-35)

Christian readers especially will be interested to learn that the Koran teaches that Jesus was God's best prophet, and that Christians will be placed above non-believers until the Day of Judgment... (Ibid., p. 61)

Moslem religious leaders claim that Muhammad was the greatest prophet ever sent. If this was true, then God would have stated so in the Koran. Instead, when God talks of a prophet being greater than others, the name He mentions is that of Jesus. (Ibid., p. 101)

124,000 Messengers were sent all with miracles, and if you read various Histories recorded in many civilisations, there have been a number of people born of a virgin, able to do miracles, raise the dead etc

What are you talking about? The only other person who was able to raise a dead human by praying to the Abrahamic God was the prophet Elijah, and he is mentioned to have done it only once. I'm not going to take mythology into consideration because those miracles were not performed by God. Sure, it is possible for Satan to reanimate corpses, but that's not raising the dead. That's demons possessing the corpse and masquerading as a human.

Says he came to confirm the Torah, but was also given the Gospel containing guidance and a relaxation of some of the previous prohibitions.

Yes, relaxing some of the prohibitions is synonymous to improving.

Mentions nothing about him preaching most of his life. It says he defending his mother from slander, as he spoke from the crib. Had he not set them straight, they would no doubt have sought to stone her for adultery.

So, how long did He preach then?

Some of your accounts say, Jesus pbuh asked one of his disciples to take his place, others say Judas was crucified for his treachery, and some thought it was Simon of Cyrene that was killed. Whoever it was felt no pain, was taken down within 6 hours and is now in Heaven.

Some of my accounts say no such thing. I never mentioned anything of that matter.

The Church tells you they were killed, but there's no evidence. They could have travelled the World looking for the lost sheep of Israel as instructed by Jesus pbuh. One of them is apparently buried in Kashmir having travelled around the Indian Subcontinent preaching the Gospel. They had a minimum of Tens of Thousands of followers.

Did the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Exist?

No idea, his original letters are lost, and what we have left are mostly cut and pasted, others are complete fabrications. 22 books of the NT have his fingerprints on them.

No idea? Really? Cause The Bible gives us three accounts of Saul's reasons for converting, the first one being this: Bible Gateway passage: Acts 9:1-19 - New International Version

Well you have a religion cooked up the Roman Church, which you happily follow, so can't be all bad.

Why would the Roman church give up on their polytheistic religion that benefited their economy (because the workers who build temples and statues had to be paid) just to invent a religion that forbidden everything they had enjoyed doing their entire lives? If The Roman Church "cooked up" Christianity, why did they make it so strict not only for its citizens, but also for the leaders? Why would the Roman Church invent a religion that prohibited some of the most common practices in their society, such as homosexuality and divorce?

Wrong, it says his followers were made victorious.

Yes, and that's where The Qur'an contradicts itself. Christians know that they were indeed made victorious because they created the largest religion in the world, the only religion that leads people to the real God, Christianity. But from a Muslim perspective, how were the apostles made victorious? They failed so much that Muhammad had to came to correct everything. If the apostles had been made victorious, or if Jesus Himself had been victorious, there would have been no need for Muhammad to be sent as a prophet.

To those Christians who worshipped partners besides God.

Muhammad did not come to any Christians. Muhammad came to a nation of polytheistic Arabs who worshiped various gods, goddesses and sacred stones.

There are over 1 Billion Hindus who despite being taught Monotheism choose to believe in Millions of Gods.

Yes, but none of the gods they believe in are prophets of the real God. Do you see the difference? Satan can sure lead people into worshiping either demons masquerading as gods or even man-made idols who have no powers, but nowhere in history has Satan ever made humans build a religion around someone that God Himself sent on Earth. Not even Islam. You guys don't worship Muhammad. You respect his teachings, but you don't worship him. Jesus is the only God-sent being in history who has a religion built around Him - and not any religion. The world's largest religion.

It's not like people don't have a brain to think things through, read up on history and decide for themselves.

That's exactly why I don't believe in Islam. Because I read up on history and found out that Muhammad is not reliable at all.
Criticism of Muhammad - Wikipedia

The confusion is with you in your attempt to justify worship of a man who made clear he had a God that he prayed to.

Wrong. We don't worship human Jesus. We worship Jesus as the second person of The Trinity.

Likewise Buddha didn't ask for worship, but 100's of Millions made him a God using their free will.

Buddhists don't see Buddha as a god and don't worship him as a god. They look up to him as the best teacher who ever existed and who offered them the path to enlightenment. Also, Buddha was not one of God's prophets. At worst, Buddha was a random man whom Satan used to deceive people, but nothing more than a random man. Not a prophet. So, my point about Jesus being the only one of God's prophets whom people created a religion around stands.

 

[Muslim-UK]

I got that from Dr. Nader Pourhassan, who cites surahs 2:253, 3:42-46, and 59, saying that:

What are you talking about? The only other person who was able to raise a dead human by praying to the Abrahamic God was the prophet Elijah, and he is mentioned to have done it only once. I'm not going to take mythology into consideration because those miracles were not performed by God. Sure, it is possible for Satan to reanimate corpses, but that's not raising the dead. That's demons possessing the corpse and masquerading as a human.

This man holds no authority over the mainstream view in Islam. Those verses show Jesus pbuh is a Prophet, given slightly different miracles to others, but not all.

Yes, relaxing some of the prohibitions is synonymous to improving.

Yes though he still lived under the Law.

So, how long did He preach then?

It doesn't say, you would have to consult the biographies of Jesus pbuh. Mark, Luke and Matthew say 1 Year Ministry. John says, 3.5 years. Early Church Fathers thought 1 year.

Some of my accounts say no such thing. I never mentioned anything of that matter.

Yours, ie Christian sources. Remember there were some 200 letters/gospels used by different Christian Communities.

Did the Twelve Apostles of Jesus Exist?

Whose disputing if they existed or not? I'm refuting the point you made about them dying for believing Jesus pbuh died on the cross, yet there's no evidence for that. In fact Mathew 3:11 shows Jon the Baptist baptised with water, and reported Jesus pbuh would baptise by the spirit and fire, meaning martyrdom. Records show the writer of the 4th Gospel, and the Book of Revelation died of natural causes.

No idea? Really? Cause The Bible gives us three accounts of Saul's reasons for converting, the first one being this: Bible Gateway passage: Acts 9:1-19 - New International Version

The liar according to Peter and James.

Why would the Roman church give up on their polytheistic religion that benefited their economy (because the workers who build temples and statues had to be paid) just to invent a religion that forbidden everything they had enjoyed doing their entire lives? If The Roman Church "cooked up" Christianity, why did they make it so strict not only for its citizens, but also for the leaders? Why would the Roman Church invent a religion that prohibited some of the most common practices in their society, such as homosexuality and divorce?

They built elaborate Churches with statues of Jesus and Mary, peace be upon them. Homosexuality went undercover and remains a stain on the Catholic Church.

Yes, and that's where The Qur'an contradicts itself. Christians know that they were indeed made victorious because they created the largest religion in the world, the only religion that leads people to the real God, Christianity. But from a Muslim perspective, how were the apostles made victorious? They failed so much that Muhammad had to came to correct everything. If the apostles had been made victorious, or if Jesus Himself had been victorious, there would have been no need for Muhammad to be sent as a prophet.

The followers of Jesus pbuh are victorious in the eyes of God. Today they number 1.4-1.6 Billion people who follow Jesus pbuh and his teachings; Worship God alone, ascribe no partners, keep the covenant of circumcision, fast, pray, give charity, eat only kosher/halal meat and do not drink strong drink, dress modestly and women should cover their beauty.

Muhammad did not come to any Christians. Muhammad came to a nation of polytheistic Arabs who worshiped various gods, goddesses and sacred stones.

Delegations of Christian were approached and a group was received from Ethiopia. There were Christians in and around Arabia too.

Yes, but none of the gods they believe in are prophets of the real God. Do you see the difference? Satan can sure lead people into worshiping either demons masquerading as gods or even man-made idols who have no powers, but nowhere in history has Satan ever made humans build a religion around someone that God Himself sent on Earth. Not even Islam. You guys don't worship Muhammad. You respect his teachings, but you don't worship him. Jesus is the only God-sent being in history who has a religion built around Him - and not any religion. The world's largest religion.

How do you know they did not receive Prophets encouraging them worship God alone? How do you know Satan did not manage to deceive the Romans into worshipping a Prophet of God? We know they weren't adverse to such a concept as Justin Martyr shows in his letters of apologetics.

That's exactly why I don't believe in Islam. Because I read up on history and found out that Muhammad is not reliable at all.
Criticism of Muhammad - Wikipedia

If you are going to use criticism from the enemies of Islam, then why not apply the same to Jesus pbuh and be consistent? His enemies in the Talmud say, he was a false prophet and to be disregarded.

Wrong. We don't worship human Jesus. We worship Jesus as the second person of The Trinity.

Where in the Torah does God say he is part of a Trinity or is this made up by Christians?

Buddhists don't see Buddha as a god and don't worship him as a god. They look up to him as the best teacher who ever existed and who offered them the path to enlightenment. Also, Buddha was not one of God's prophets. At worst, Buddha was a random man whom Satan used to deceive people, but nothing more than a random man. Not a prophet. So, my point about Jesus being the only one of God's prophets whom people created a religion around stands.

Satan's only interest in humans worshipping anything other than God Himself. In that regards Buddhists are more pleasing to God than those praying to a trinity.

Are all 3 beings in the Trinity equal?
If so does the father pray to the Holy Spirit?
Which came first, the Father or the Son?

 

[Muslim-UK]

The confusion is that YHVH Elohim is seen in the shape of a man multiple times within the Tanakh...

The Old Testament on YHVH Becoming a Man

Little more than Theophanies found in the Torah. The Angels are God's Messengers, so when they talk, it's God speaking.

The confusion is people not recognizing Yeshua Elohim is a son of El Elyon (God Most High Luke 1:32) or El Shadai (God Almighty).

No different to the many other Sons God found in the Torah.

 

[Muffled]

The Qur'an doesn't give any details related to the "alleged" death of Allah's most powerful prophet, death that caused the largest religion in the world to be founded? And you don't see any problem with that?

Here's how the Qur'an portrays the events: Allah sent Jesus to Earth as a prophet to preach and improve the teachings of The Torah. Jesus preached (according to the Qur'an) most of His life, He chose several disciples, He instructed them what to do and what to teach people. Then Allah took Jesus up to heaven alive and someone was made to look like Jesus and was crucified instead of Jesus (why or how or by who's will The Qur'an doesn't say), and then all of Jesus' disciples were killed before they could tell the world that Jesus wasn't crucified (despite the fact that The Bible shows that the disciples traveled and preached The Gospel in many countries), and then some random guy named Saul, who was a member of the group of people who hated Jesus, decided to change his name to Paul and pretend to be a follower of Jesus, risking his life and abandoning his wealth, being willing to be beaten and jailed just so he can preach a false gospel. Why? Again, the Qur'an doesn't say why. Was it satan who made him do this? Was it Allah? Nobody know. So, what do we have in the end? The Qur'an portrays Jesus as a failed prophet whose teachings were misinterpreted immediately after He was taken to Heaven, and whose disciples failed to spread His words until Muhammad came 600 years later to clarify things. So, what did Jesus' ministry on Earth result in? A false religion that sends billions of people to hell because of the teachings of a few hundred people from almost two millennia ago. Why did Allah send a prophet Who involuntarily is the object of worship for billions of people and Who wasn't capable of choosing any disciples who could carry on His words after His ascension to Heaven? The Qur'an doesn't say.

Oh boy! The Qur'an sure sounds like a big confusing mess when it comes to this topic.

I believe this is not in the qu'ran but in a Hadith and Hadiths have no validity. It is simply a wild guess as to what the Qu'ranic verse meant by "appeared."

I believe this is also not in the Qu'ran but just the fantasies of some Muslim apologists.

I believe I can't imagine how one can fantasize that view from the Qu'ran.

I believe it would be for someone who doesn't know the Bible and doesn't have the Holy Spirit which would pretty much include all the Muslims and many Christians.

 

[Muffled]

Little more than Theophanies found in the Torah. The Angels are God's Messengers, so when they talk, it's God speaking.


No different to the many other Sons God found in the Torah.

I believe there is no evidence to support that view.

I believe there is little evidence one way or another on this. The text does seem to indicate that Abraham thought he was talking to God and not an angel.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Could Christianity and Islam ever reach a consensus in regards to Jesus' identity? If no, which of the two religions is more likely to disappear first? If yes, which of the two religions do you think should and will make the bigger compromise? Will Christians accept Jesus as a divine prophet? Will Muslims adopt the concept of Trinity? Will they decide to change Jesus' status into both a prophet and The Son Of God to incorporate both beliefs?

Has it may seem, most Muslims will not give up their prophet Muhammad. In the Muslims Q'uran it's Muhammad that does all the talking, but remember that Muhammad could not read nor write.has it has come down in the Q'uran Muhammad told his wife and some close friends what to write down, but who's to say that they did what Muhammad told them to write down, seeing Muhammad couldn't read or write himself ?
In the Q'uran it said that Muhammad was born and lived out in the desert.

The Muslims hold Jesus as a great prophet, Jesus lived some 600 yrs or so before muhammad.
Now in the book of Matthew 24:24-26, You'll find Jesus speaking about false Christ's and false prophets. But take Notice in Verse 26 --"Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert , go not forth"
Do you get the picture, Muhammad is that false prophet that Christ Jesus is warning the people about the false prophet in the desert. Muhammad is the only self claim prophet that lived out in the desert.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I doubt it. Muslims will never accept the Trinity and Christians will never accept Christ as a mere prophet. Unless they convert.

 

[Muslim-UK]

Has it may seem, most Muslims will not give up their prophet Muhammad. In the Muslims Q'uran it's Muhammad that does all the talking, but remember that Muhammad could not read nor write.has it has come down in the Q'uran Muhammad told his wife and some close friends what to write down, but who's to say that they did what Muhammad told them to write down, seeing Muhammad couldn't read or write himself ?

He didn't just teach one person, he taught many and had them recite it back to him. It would be quite some conspiracy to think everyone of his family and friends were tricking him, the Angel Gabriel pbuh and God Himself.

In the Q'uran it said that Muhammad was born and lived out in the desert.

The Muslims hold Jesus as a great prophet, Jesus lived some 600 yrs or so before muhammad.
Now in the book of Matthew 24:24-26, You'll find Jesus speaking about false Christ's and false prophets. But take Notice in Verse 26 --"Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert , go not forth"
Do you get the picture, Muhammad is that false prophet that Christ Jesus is warning the people about the false prophet in the desert. Muhammad is the only self claim prophet that lived out in the desert.

The context explains false Messiahs and Prophets coming to deceive the Christian followers of Jesus pbuh, doing wonders and miracles. In the Desert - The wilderness on the rd to Damascus, in locked prison cells. The biggest Anti-Christ was he who abolished God's Laws. Does any of this ring any bells? :/

God's elected Servant in whom He delighted from the Ishmaelite brethren of the Israelites was to come from the Desert; read Isaiah 42.

Interestingly Matthew 24 also talks about Daniel's pbuh Prophecy concerning the Great Abomination of Desolation and 70 weeks before the coming Son of Man. What was the Desolation he was speaking about?

 

[Faithofchristian]

He didn't just teach one person, he taught many and had them recite it back to him. It would be quite some conspiracy to think everyone of his family and friends were tricking him, the Angel Gabriel pbuh and God Himself.



The context explains false Messiahs and Prophets coming to deceive the Christian followers of Jesus pbuh, doing wonders and miracles. In the Desert - The wilderness on the rd to Damascus, in locked prison cells. The biggest Anti-Christ was he who abolished God's Laws. Does any of this ring any bells? :/

God's elected Servant in whom He delighted from the Ishmaelite brethren of the Israelites was to come from the Desert; read Isaiah 42.

Interestingly Matthew 24 also talks about Daniel's pbuh Prophecy concerning the Great Abomination of Desolation and 70 weeks before the coming Son of Man. What was the Desolation he was speaking about?

The abomination of Desolation that prophet Daniel was talking about and Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24:15, is when the false one, comes to impersonate Christ Jesus.this wicked one, will come will believe he is Jesus and deceive many in believing he is Jesus.
This Antichrist will come and sit in the tempel and claim that he is God and everyone that dwell on the earth will worship him, for they believe he is God.

The Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist who comes to sit in the tempel and claims he is God.

 

[DavidFirth]

The abomination of Desolation that prophet Daniel was talking about and Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24:15, is when the false one, comes to impersonate Christ Jesus.this wicked one, will come will believe he is Jesus and deceive many in believing he is Jesus.
This Antichrist will come and sit in the tempel and claim that he is God and everyone that dwell on the earth will worship him, for they believe he is God.

The Abomination of Desolation is the Antichrist who comes to sit in the tempel and claims he is God.

You're cool but you're wasting your time, man. You're talking to a brick wall or beating a dead horse.

 

[Faithofchristian]

He didn't just teach one person, he taught many and had them recite it back to him. It would be quite some conspiracy to think everyone of his family and friends were tricking him, the Angel Gabriel pbuh and God Himself.



The context explains false Messiahs and Prophets coming to deceive the Christian followers of Jesus pbuh, doing wonders and miracles. In the Desert - The wilderness on the rd to Damascus, in locked prison cells. The biggest Anti-Christ was he who abolished God's Laws. Does any of this ring any bells? :/

God's elected Servant in whom He delighted from the Ishmaelite brethren of the Israelites was to come from the Desert; read Isaiah 42.

Interestingly Matthew 24 also talks about Daniel's pbuh Prophecy concerning the Great Abomination of Desolation and 70 weeks before the coming Son of Man. What was the Desolation he was speaking about?

Seeing Muhammad could not read nor write himself, that leaves it wide open for his wife and friends to put in the Q'uran what ever they chose to. As for the false prophets, when Jesus was speaking, Christians we're not even there at that time. Further more Jesus said in talking about false prophets being in the desert, Muhammad is the only self proclaim prophet that lived in the desert that Jesus gave Prophecy about.and 600 years later Muhammad fulfilled that Prophecy.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You're cool but you're wasting your time, man. You're talking to a brick wall or beating a dead horse.

You maybe right about me wasting my time, but we all must plant seeds and then let the Spirit of God do the rest.A-men

 

[Lyndon]

Seeing Muhammad could not read nor write himself, that leaves it wide open for his wife and friends to put in the Q'uran what ever they chose to. As for the false prophets, when Jesus was speaking, Christians we're not even there at that time. Further more Jesus said in talking about false prophets being in the desert, Muhammad is the only self proclaim prophet that lived in the desert that Jesus gave Prophecy about.and 600 years later Muhammad fulfilled that Prophecy.

By that logic anyone could have edited the gospels to say whatever they wanted and probably did!!

 

[Tarheeler]

Well, that's the thing: He didn't become an imperfect man. He became a perfect man.

What makes your opinion on the matter any more valid than Muslim-UK's?

 

[Faithofchristian]

By that logic anyone could have edited the gospels to say whatever they wanted and probably did!!

What you say, shows how little you know about God's Holy Prophet's.
God's Holy Prophet's knew how to read and write, they didn't have to have someone else to write or read for them, As did muhammad having his wife or friends to write for him. You would think that if Muhammad being a prophet of God's that God would haved gave muhammad the capability to read and write.There are prophets in the old testament that they didn't have capability to do certain things, but God gave them the capability to do those things. Like Moses and was slow at speech, but then Moses turned out to be a great Prophet of God's. But yet with Muhammad nothing.

 

[Lyndon]

Muhammad had poor eyesight, but I guess as a Christian you don't care for people with disabilities. Anyway the gospels as we know them weren't written down for 2 or 300 years after Christ so any amount of editing could have occurred.

 

[Faithofchristian]

What makes your opinion on the matter any more valid than Muslim-UK's?

Well for one I have the Muslims q'uran and the Holy Scriptures to compare to each other.that tells me alot about the Muslims religion. And the Holy Scriptures tells me about how false the Q'uran really is.

The Muslims will claim the bible took things from the Q'uran. But yet the the Holy Scriptures out date the Q'uran of about 3000 years, the Q'uran is only about 1800 to 1900 years old, So who took from who?
The new Testament came about 70 yrs after the death of Jesus which still put the new Testament alot older than the Q'uran. Again who took from who?

 

[Lyndon]

What complete and utter rubbish!! History is not your strong suit.