How are these Great Beings explained?

[TransmutingSoul]

There is no evidence, Tony.

Ha ha There has never, never been in all history to date the amount of evidence from God that has flowed from the pen of His Messenger, than what Baha'u'llah has offered.

Of course all that can be discounted.

I can only say, if you are well and happy and content, may you always be so.

I wish for you all that God will give.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I haven't found your message. That means I'm godless? Fallowing a false faith?

Not at all. Would you like me to post an answer from the Writings They are available at bahai.org in the library tag?

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes, luckily it is in writing.

Regards Tony

Just because something is in writing doesn't mean it isn't fiction or gobbledygook. You actually think something is true because it is written? That's a rather backward thought, I think. That's not evidence at all.

Here's some reading on Baha'i' you won't believe though.

http://bahaism.blogspot.ca/2016/09/bahai-religion-losing-race-from-2004-to.html

 

[Vinayaka]

Ha ha There has never, never been in all history to date the amount of evidence from God that has flowed from the pen of His Messenger, than what Baha'u'llah has offered.

Yes, that is the dogma of the Baha'i'. We're used to it, lol.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes, that is the dogma of the Baha'i'. We're used to it, lol.

A verifiable proof

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Just because something is in writing doesn't mean it isn't fiction or gobbledygook. You actually think something is true because it is written? That's a rather backward thought, I think. That's not evidence at all.

Here's some reading on Baha'i' you won't believe though.

http://bahaism.blogspot.ca/2016/09/bahai-religion-losing-race-from-2004-to.html

Look for the Good in all things or one does not escape the cycle.

God must be amused with mans statistics. Baha'i is a name, it is the heart that has the Message or is neglecting it.

Only God knows our heart and who follows His Faiths.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Look for the Good in all things or one does not escape the cycle.

God must be amused with mans statistics. Baha'i is a name, it is the heart that has the Message or is neglecting it.

Only God knows our heart and who follows His Faiths.

Regards Tony

Those poor atheists. I feel for them.

 

[Vinayaka]

In my Hindu sampradaya, the belief is that the world is in a perfect state, there is not one thing wrong with the world, it is all exactly as it should be. In the Baha'i' view, as far as I can tell, nearly everything is wrong. The Christians are wrong, the Hindus are wrong, the Jews are wrong, Islam is wrong. and the world is very near to world war 3, in a desperate state of affairs, and the only possible way out is to heed the words of the prophet Baha'u'llah. It's fear-based, scripture based, infallible prophet based like most of the Abrahamic faiths that came before it.

We truly live on two different planets of consciousness. One of contentment, the other of frustration and fear.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Those poor atheists. I feel for them.

Another name, another label, God is all that is Good. That is what to look for.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

In my Hindu sampradaya, the belief is that the world is in a perfect state, there is not one thing wrong with the world, it is all exactly as it should be. In the Baha'i' view, as far as I can tell, nearly everything is wrong. The Christians are wrong, the Hindus are wrong, the Jews are wrong, Islam is wrong. and the world is very near to world war 3, in a desperate state of affairs, and the only possible way out is to heed the words of the prophet Baha'u'llah. It's fear-based, scripture based, infallible prophet based like most of the Abrahamic faiths that came before it.

We truly live on two different planets of consciousness. One of contentment, the other of frustration and fear.

Yes, God's creation and Word is perfect.

When the balance is tipped it corrects.

Man has tipped the balance, hold on we are for in some ride

I hope you are relieved from any frustration and fear you may have. I wish contentment also for you.

Regards Tony

 

[Vinayaka]

Yes God creation and Word is perfect.

Man has tipped the balance, hold on we are for in some ride

Regards Tony

I said the world is perfect, Tony, not the word. I don't believe in the word. But this is a classic example of the type of misinterpretation we non-Baha'i' have to deal with, lol. Changing 'world' to 'word' lol. Gotta love it.

'In for some ride' is in stark contrast to a perfect world, lol. I'm not worried.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not at all. Would you like me to post an answer from the Writings They are available at bahai.org in the library tag?

Regards Tony

Is there a clear cut answer? I've been asking this too.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I'll rephrase



Also, Lover, it's hard to make counterarguments when you guys agree to everything I say but them offered (instead of offer) scripture and the same argument without saying directly that you disagree.

In other words, how can you make counter arguments with something you agree with. It makes it tiresome to tell you what we think when you rephrase what we think to reflect off of your beliefs.

Of course we disagree on many issues but I still don't understand about the quotes. I haven't quoted anything to you for ages.

I've just put my view.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I said the world is perfect, Tony, not the word. I don't believe in the word. But this is a classic example of the type of misinterpretation we non-Baha'i' have to deal with, lol. Changing 'world' to 'word' lol. Gotta love it.

'In for some ride' is in stark contrast to a perfect world, lol. I'm not worried.

You might not know that the Word and Creation can not be seperated. Creation is the Letters B & E joined and knit together.

The Word is Krishna, it is Buddha, it is Christ, Muhammad, Bab and Baha'u'llah. It is the Great Beings Explained.

Regards Tony

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Of course we disagree on many issues but I still don't understand about the quotes. I haven't quoted anything to you for ages.

I've just put my view.

It's hard to make counter arguments when you agree to everything I say.

That's my point.

I tell you that god (the god of abraham) does not exist. You tell me he does. We disagree. That is fine.

I backed it up by evidence. I don't need sacred scriptures. It is just common sense. It's not an atheist-thing. That's default. People of all religions have studied how and why we believe what we do. Archeologists, historians, culturist, and so forth have studied and wrote about these things for years. Philosophy has been written about religious views through a political lens and it too talks about how people believe and why. The famous Myth of the Cave is a perfect and excellent example of this. I posted it up thousands of post ago. I don't know if anyone read it.

Even if you did, again, maybe you or I know most of your peers would find a way to agree with it even though they don't get the context of why I post it; not to agree but to learn something different than what you guys (any abrahamic believer, really) are taught.

It doesn't invalidate the religious experience. I've experienced what you continue to call god too; and, I don't call it that. I can't remember one of you mentioned that everyone has some type of mystical experience.

Not everyone does.

The point: As long as your belief says "diversity and humanity" you have to not use your foundation for everyone else's truth. It has to be unanimous.

 

[CG Didymus]

Bahaullah taught that, everyone has the right to believe what they desire. Bahais choose to believe in Bahaullah. Other people who choose not believe in Bahaullah, or even investigate Him, they are free to hold what ever belief they desire.
Bahai's would just tell them, 'to you be that which you desire, and to us that which we desire'. Then we leave it at that. The Bahais are forbiden to engage in violence actions to promote their belief, even verbal violence or arguments. Everyone has the right to believe and express their belief. I believe promoting human rights will help to make a more peaceful world.

When it comes to religion, how long has it been a right to believe whatever you want? In the past didn't some civilization have one religion, and if a person didn't follow it they could be killed? Even until recent times, doesn't it seem like children were almost forced to believe and follow the religion of their parents?

 

[CG Didymus]

No we haven't all found the same thing, obviously. The most striking example is the one Carlita uses, atheist, and theist. Each person thinks their version of the truth is the truth. Then there are those like me, who believe that there are different POVs about truth, and leave it at that.

Truth sure seems relative. One truth might be right, but maybe all are a little bit right. But for sure, a lot of people do find one of the many truths that works for them. Too bad a lot of the time, because it works for them, they believe theirs is the best or only truth.

 

[CG Didymus]

Sure. Bhakti is like that. So can meditation be, or even a walk in nature. But the goal of the Hindu is to make that state the permanent one, able to go their at will, and 'coming out' is the direction that takes effort.

To be there, in that state of oneness, I wonder how different is that then what a prophet/manifestation has?

 

[CG Didymus]

Krishna, according to those who worship Him, isn't God's messenger, but God. Should I trust a Bolivian to teach me about Queensland? Should we trust a Baha'i' to teach about Vaishnavism, or should we trust a Vaishnavite? Should the people who come on this forum, curious about Hinduism, post their questions in the Baha'i' DIR? Sometime the Baha'i interpretation is so far out there it hurts.

That's an excellent point. If the Baha'is are right, everyone should go to the Baha'i DIR to find out what to believe about the other religions. So Christians... Jesus didn't rise from the dead. His followers are the "body of Christ". They came to life after three days of having a pity party and started preaching the Word. The Word being the gospel, the good news, that Jesus has risen from the dead. Wait, that makes no sense?

 

[CG Didymus]

...Christ knew of the Misunderstandings that would arise with interpretation of the Word given by God. After all he spent a great deal of time correcting the Disciples thoughts while He was with them. This is why He warned not to add to the Meaning of the Bible...Tony

Jesus could have easily solved the problem. He could have written in down himself.