RedDragon94
Love everyone, meditate often
Is there a good reason for why everything happens in the Christian worldview?
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Is Christianity coherent?
- Thread starter RedDragon94
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Yes. It was planned by the aliens who created the simulation program we're involved in. All religions and things built by human hands came from information called the beast.
Skwim
Veteran Member
It is? I didn't even know we had a "worldview". Except maybe that the bible indicates the world never gets all rosey, wars continue and rumors of wars, there is a march towards an oppressive global government, sin increases towards the end. Yeah, seems fairly accurate.
Of course Christianity is a worldview.
If any believer, Christian or otherwise, thinks the deity of his or her choice is omnipotent and omniscient and created the universe then it follows that nothing in that universe will ever happen differing in even the tiniest way from what the deity foresaw before making it.
Given the deity is indeed omnipotent and omniscient, neither the deity nor the created universe's beings have any choice in this, since omnipotent omniscience entails perfect foresight.
As for other flavors of deity, sorry, you'll have to ask them.
Given the deity is indeed omnipotent and omniscient, neither the deity nor the created universe's beings have any choice in this, since omnipotent omniscience entails perfect foresight.
As for other flavors of deity, sorry, you'll have to ask them.
Could you give me an example of its worldview?
That man is created sinful; that he must needs be redeemed by a saviour; that the only way to heaven is through Jesus and that god is a trinity. There are many more things such as social conservative views, i.e., fornication being a sin, homosexual sex etc. All religions are worldviews.
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What if God foresaw changing his mind? Since the plan God started with has the same outcome originally intended before changing his mind, we can assume it was part of the original plan. So the Omiscient being calculated changing his mind here and there from the beginning.
That's broader than my idea of a worldview. That's more like a universal view, you have views of the human soul, views of heaven. Worldview is more like politics, the course people of the Earth are on.
Imo religion affects a person's politics as much as anything, and also the course the people of Earth travel.
Is Christianity coherent? No.
Examples of incoherence are a physically resurrected Jesus that ascends to heaven by rising through the clouds towards the sky.
A monotheistic God that is also Triune.
A man Jesus who is God incarnate.
Otherwise than these minor theological differences, I'm believe in much the same God, Bible, and Jesus as the Christians.
The Holy Bottom Burp
Active Member
Yes, it is coherent if you believe it to be true. I'd say all religions are coherent to the people who believe them to be true. They all provide an answer for "why things are the way they are", they are complete systems that many people find appealing. The sticking point is whether you think religion provides good answers, I'd say no. I don't think "The Fall" makes much sense, I cannot see why the deity continues to punish thousands of generations for something our supposed ancestors did. I cannot see why the deity would leave the devil in charge of the Earth either, seems a tad reckless to say the least. I cannot see why the deity would "magic" itself into the womb of a woman, to be born as a man so it could sacrifice itself to itself at the age of thirty something, in order to "save" mankind. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny as far as I'm concerned.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
History.
Christianity in the west and part of the east always structured how we believe and dont believe, our laws, segregation, death, politics, child raising, descrimination of agex sex, class, gender, attraction, etc. Equal rights, education, and the list goes on.
Yes, christisanity is a worldview and many christians do not see it because there are so many of them that to find someone who doesnt believe in god is like a white person back when realizing there are people that are not white and they are human too.
I think things would be better under dharmic worldview. Abrahamic view is highly political because god is above and humans try to mirror that power.
Its an annoying worldview and christians willndefend their view at the exspense of people's lives, their opinions, and their truth. Their belief over the rights and life of their human peers.
Its all history.
I think he's asking if it makes sense. Original sin, a man god, crucifixion to pay for original sin, resurrection and Trinity all being important Doctrines of Christianity.
And this highlights exactly why Christianity as a metaphysical system is incoherent. You end up trying to justify madness as divine foresight. Mother backs over her daughter in the driveway accidently. God had a plan you have to try to tell yourself rationally, all the while your heart and soul are torn apart wondering why such a God who has the power and foresight to see and act to prevent such misery does not. Lying to yourself "he has a plan", or "He has the power to act but doesn't because of the law of freewill," or some such rationalization does not hold water in the face of deep meaningless like this.
The system has a certain 'logic' to it that breaks apart in the face of actual lived reality outside our predictable and stable routine patterns of life. You end up with extreme cognitive dissonance, which brings no rest to the soul whatsoever. The only way out of this dilemma without lying to yourself is to change what we imagine God is, and recognize at a certain point it breaks down. "Beyond this point, there be dragons". Christianity is coherent, only up to a certain boundary of what is relatively "normal". Beyond that....... not so well.
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RESOLUTION
Active Member
I believe the end is told from the beginning is the Christian view and that it is all about Gods view that is YHWH.
Reasons may not be an issue in the human sense. But Gods goodness must surely play the largest part in equal measure with his love.
You ask opinions and we give those opinions based on experience and having read the things taught by Prophets and chosen men of God. It is an expected and taught truth that everything God does and so happens in the world is always for the greater good of mankind.
It does not mean every man will see this or understand it.
Including the majority of Christians.