Hella Jingles
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I want to know. Theists always claim that God has some sort of plan for life, based upon the fact that he can see the future. Do Christians and Catholics and Jews really think that God knows absolutely everything to come?
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Does God Have a plan and is it perfect?
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Hella Jingles
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Then explain the flood.
At some point Allah looked down. He saw the corrupted world. Realized things were out of hand. And flooded everything.
Furthermore, if God knows everything then what reasons does he have to change his mind? If his plan is perfect then he doesn't change his mind, if he doesn't change his mind then praying for a different outcome is pointless and thus prayer is null for anything other than respect.
We were gifted with freewill, and Allah swt saw fit to remove his people from a toxic, godless environment. He has done similar things before to many Civilisations.
The flood was local as I was explaining elsewhere:
Why don't atheists change faiths very often?
The power of prayer can help you make a decision, praying for guidance on which job to take, car to buy etc.
Remember before you are born, God knows what you will do with your freewill, the decisions you will make, and ultimately where you will end up in the hereafter, but you can pray and change your own circumstances and your destiny. Never underestimate the power of prayer.
Because this Planet will one day cease to be, and God has a new creation to bring forth.
On the day when We will fold the heaven, like the folder compacts the books, and as We originated the first creation We shall return it; a promise (binding on Us); surely We will deliver. Qur'an 21:104
As we see, God promises to make this Big Crunch however not by gravity but rather by folding the Heavens like a book, that is, by the same mechanism He controls wormholes. This means that this Big Crunch can begin and end in a fraction of a second!
BSM1
What? Me worry?
But this does not require a plan from an All-powerful Deity. This just requires crossing His arms and blinking Her eyes.
herushura
Active Member
Muslims have a rather different take on the Flood , the people that drowned, including infants in their cribs, where also thrown in hell , to scream and burn for eternity.
Quran 71:25 : Because of their sins they were drowned, then made to enter a Fire. And they found they had no helpers in place of Allah
Those people whom drowned in that flood, are they still burning at this moment in time in hell?
Quran 71:25 : Because of their sins they were drowned, then made to enter a Fire. And they found they had no helpers in place of Allah
Those people whom drowned in that flood, are they still burning at this moment in time in hell?
Actually no child under the age of puberty goes to Hell. As for who is in Hell at the moment, who knows, that knowledge is with the God of Abraham pbuh.
Is there a flood story in your faith/religion?
Tumah
Veteran Member
Orthodox ones do, yes. Time takes place within G-d, so there is no "to come" its all already happened since the first moment.
The Holy Bottom Burp
Active Member
Can you imagine how incredibly dull existence is when there is nothing that could possibly surprise you, because you know the outcome of everything the instant you think of it? Maybe that is why god is usually mad about stuff, bordering on the psychotic? Being god must suck!
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I definitely believe He has a plan, and that He knows us perfectly. Nevertheless, I believe it is an essential part of His plan that we be able to choose for ourselves what to believe and how to live our lives.
The Holy Bottom Burp
Active Member
When you say "He" do you mean the god of this planet, or a greater entity? Just curious Katzpur, I know LDS Christians have a different take.
My last post was a tad ironic, but it poses a serious question. Just how lonely must it be to be god, the Abrahamic god? It has insanity built in.
Time might seem obvious to us, but when you get into the realm of physics, it's anything but simple. One theory:
The question of time's arrow is an old one. And to be clear, it's not whether time exists, but what direction it moves. Many physicists believe it emerges when enough tiny particles—individually governed by the weird rules of quantum mechanics— interact, and start displaying behavior that can be explained using classical physics. But two scientists argue, in a paper published today in Annalen der physik—the same journal that published Einstein's seminal articles on special and general relativity—that gravity isn't strong enough to force every object in the universe to follow the same past»present»future direction. Instead, time's arrow emerges from observers.
Time Might Only Exist In Your Head. And Everyone Else's
the Infinite Intelligence knows everything, yes. the plan is simple.
Love draws everything to it.
God of this Planet, and every other Planet, not just in this Universe, but every other Universe out there. Humans feel lonely due to Chemicals reacting in the brain, God is not a human nor does he have Chemicals affecting Him. He is a Creator, and is always creating amazing Worlds and lifeforms. It would be like giving Hollywood a unlimited budget and asking them to create make belief alien worlds with no limits on CGI and Special Effects, they could even travel throughout the Universe, navigate Wormholes, for inspiration and bring mind blowing Worlds to our screens, create all kinds of story lines and alien species as they saw fit. Well God has Billions of Angels and all He has to say is 'BE', His will is done and new Worlds created.
Only a human with limited understanding would ever entertain the thought of a bored GOD.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Don't you think love is very subjective? Can you even define love?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I mean "the Abrahamic God," the Creator of our universe and, according to LDS doctrine, the creator of "worlds without number."
Yeah, it would be lonely and also unbearably frustrating, IMO. When I think of how much my own happiness is dependent upon the happiness and well-being of my two grown children, I can't even begin to imagine how hard it would be to love billions and billions of children, many of whom are not only totally messing up their own lives, but appear to be dead-set on messing up the lives of everyone they possibly can.
love can be both subjective and objective. people make it subjective when they choose to use it for one person vs another. doing unto others as you would have done unto you, isn't really that subjective if its observed with everyone.
a car has no subjective/objective means. its how it's utilized that makes it personal. a car can transport anyone; if it's your car are you going to simply use it to transport those you love? not necessarily
The Holy Bottom Burp
Active Member
Thanks for the clarification.
Damn right friend, especially when you know they are going to mess up their lives before they do!