That the Jews are a people chosen, set apart to be His, to be party to His covenants and to be the beneficiary of and channel for His graces, etc.
But the Christian idea is that the previous covenant has been anulled. So, which covenant/s?
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That the Jews are a people chosen, set apart to be His, to be party to His covenants and to be the beneficiary of and channel for His graces, etc.
The situation of the "old" covenant is far from a closed question in Christian theology. There are a wide range of views.But the Christian idea is that the previous covenant has been anulled.
You clearly can't even be bothered to look at my religious label. I am not a Jew.
The book of Deuteronomy and Genesis target Jews. It was given at Mt Sinai from G-d to the Jewish people. Of course they were not called 'Jews' then, because this term comes from 'Judah', one of the surviving tribes after the exile. We call them that in modern times, because the Judahites (mixed with Benjamites, iirc) are the only Hebrew tribes we know right now, the ten others are 'lost'. So of course Torah doesn't say 'Jews' because Torah isn't just for the tribe of Judah. It's for those who ere there and recieved it at Mt Sinai and this is all the 12 Tribes.
G-d makes temporary covenants with different people. He used different nations for His various purposes. But he gave His eternal Torah to the 12 Tribes of Jacob. They are the ones who have had Torah, handed Torah down to their children, died rather than convert and have unbroken chains of Rabbis who taught Torah. If any other peoples had been given Torah, it would be mentioned in their histories, inscribed somewhere etc., but we hear of no such thing. It is only the Jewish people who have the Torah and followed Torah. We can go back to the time of the exile and hear of the Jewish people keeping the Torah. Not the Persians, not the Babylonians, not the Assyrians.How do you know the Book of Deuteronomy and Genesis was targeting Jews ? Moses wasn't Jewish, the Hebrew scriptures makes a distinction between 'Jew' and 'Israelite ' , Maybe
it was targeting the 'Zoroastrian' colonists carving a piece of Canaan for themselves.
If you read Ezra 1:2 , 'G-d' seems to have made a covenant with King Cyrus of Persia, did God hand over the Land of Israel to the Persians thus severing the covenant with Chaldeans? ( is that who Abraham was) , alike Nebuchadnezzer II.
G-d makes temporary covenants with different people. He used different nations for His various purposes. But he gave His eternal Torah to the 12 Tribes of Jacob. They are the ones who have had Torah, handed Torah down to their children, died rather than convert and have unbroken chains of Rabbis who taught Torah. If any other peoples had been given Torah, it would be mentioned in their histories, inscribed somewhere etc., but we hear of no such thing. It is only the Jewish people who have the Torah and followed Torah. We can go back to the time of the exile and hear of the Jewish people keeping the Torah. Not the Persians, not the Babylonians, not the Assyrians.
Why have you put Zoroastrian in quotes?
But who 'specifically' had the Torah? not a Jew, but someone named 'Ezra', the Persians gave Ezra (a Persian chancellor) the Torah and he presented it to the colonists, whom gave the Persians the Torah Mesha ( Wisdom of Ahura )
I bring up Zoroastrians, for people never do, they most likely pretending they don't exist, Jews hate Persians, so they must hate Zoroastrians too.
King Cyrus, Darus and Artaxerxes are Zoroastrians.
Ezra 7:11 - Now this is the copy of the letter that the king Artaxerxes gave unto Ezra the priest, the scribe, even a scribe of the words of the commandments of the LORD, and of his statutes to Israel - (12) Artaxerxes, king of kings, unto Ezra the priest, a scribe of the law of the God of heaven, perfect peace, and at such a time
These people are not Jews, they are Zoroastrians, why would 'G-d' be so friendly to so called 'Pagans' ( King Cyrus)
Are Zoroastrians idolatrous pagans?
Ezra 1:2 Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth.
If Cyrus was Zoroastrian, does that mean 'Ahura Mazda' gave him ALL the Kingdoms of the Earth'
2 Samuel 22:11 ( a faravahar )
And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind.
There is more evidence for Zoroastrians to be the ones.
So you have an agenda. I see that now. Have fun.
Judaism and Noahide are based on the Talmud, not the Torah. In other word, they hijack the Torah for there own self interest and agenda. they are no seven laws of Noah for the Torah doesn't say anything about it.
Noah built a Cube (Ka'ba-ye Zartosht ), (Holy of the Holies) ( Kaaba) , everything as an origin in the original religion.
Spiritual Israelites, not Jews.Mainstream Christian theology stipulates that Christians are Jews.
You know nothing about Judaism. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
"It is thus possible for a person to be a Jew religiously (because he has accepted Christianity, the completed form of the Jewish faith) but not be a Jew ethnically. This is the case with most Christians today."Spiritual Israelites, not Jews.
The way that Catholic and Orthodox Christians interpret it are that the promises of Israel were inherited by the Church. Non-Christian Jews are viewed as fallen away right now but will eventually see the error of their ways in the future and repent.
I can see where they're coming from but that's stretching definitions a bit far for my liking. It just confuses things in basic discussion."It is thus possible for a person to be a Jew religiously (because he has accepted Christianity, the completed form of the Jewish faith) but not be a Jew ethnically. This is the case with most Christians today."
If Jesus was a Jew, why are we Catholic? | Catholic Answers
I can understand that.I can see where they're coming from but that's stretching definitions a bit far for my liking.
I certainly didn't intend for the terminology to spill over into basic discussion, but for a specific query of Christian theological positions that is the answer.It just confuses things in basic discussion.
Fair enough.I can understand that.
I certainly didn't intend for the terminology to spill over into basic discussion, but for a specific query of Christian theological positions that is the answer.
Judaism is the religion of the Talmud, Flavius Josephus doesn't name a religion called 'Judaism, instead he simply lists three sects
'Pharisee, Sadducee and Essene' (Sects of Zoroastrianism), His sect was Pharisee (Farsi ) which is equates with Platonism, Plato himself was influenced by Zoroaster, who was also accused of plagiarising Zoroaster. Christianity is based on Pharisee-Plato philosophy.
Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and look, I'm guarding it until it blazes.
Jesus said, "Whoever is near me is near the fire
Matthew 3:11 - Baptism with Fire
Zoroastrians should know FIRE is the symbol of purity, which was obviously misunderstood as being literal , so it mutated into the belief of Hell Fire, where people are purified of there sins.
Your the one not knowing anything about Zoroastrianism or History,
I've often heard Christians say that the Jews are G-d's Chosen People. Whilst I, of course, agree, I'm not sure what they mean by this. If the Torah has been made invalid (G-d forbid) by Jesus' sacrifice and the prophecies fulfilled, how exactly are the Jews, in Christian theology, anymore a Chosen People than the Christians?
Thanks.
Christians and Christian churches have extremely wide differences in beliefs. However, when it comes to the Bible, an unbiased harmonious interpretation of all scripture reveals what is.I've often heard Christians say that the Jews are G-d's Chosen People. Whilst I, of course, agree, I'm not sure what they mean by this. If the Torah has been made invalid (G-d forbid) by Jesus' sacrifice and the prophecies fulfilled, how exactly are the Jews, in Christian theology, anymore a Chosen People than the Christians?
Thanks.
Being chosen is through covenant with god. Abraham was righteous via gods choice, not because he was sinless, nor did he need the Jesus covenant. The Christian argument is that an intermediary is needed, that if god would find people righteous would have to be through his son.I've often heard Christians say that the Jews are G-d's Chosen People. Whilst I, of course, agree, I'm not sure what they mean by this. If the Torah has been made invalid (G-d forbid) by Jesus' sacrifice and the prophecies fulfilled, how exactly are the Jews, in Christian theology, anymore a Chosen People than the Christians?
Thanks.