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Satanist, Luciferian, or both?

Are you a satanist, a luciferian, or both?


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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Are you a satanist, a luciferian, or both?
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Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Are you a satanist, a luciferian, or both?
/self description, contextually, for this question.


// idea from another thread

I have no idea what differentiates a Luciferian and Satanist other than one has an aversion to certain names and what books you decide to read. Satan, and Lucifer are the the same guy in any sort of colloquial sense. To me, it has always been an attempt to white wash what is a pretty neutral character... :D Some people see Satan as a demonized name, but fail to realize that δαιμόνιον (daimonion) in Greek means, "spirit", and has no negative or positive connotation either way.

Luciferian organizations seem to be more active in the practical side of the LHP at this point because atheistic Satanist groups are more like devil fan clubs, rather than doing anything important. I call myself a Satanist out of a preference, but I am validly a Luciferian by any yard stick I can measure -- I just don't associate with Luciferian groups so I evade the name to avoid confusion.
If anyone has the right to the name Satanist, it is a theistic Satanist. :D Thus, my preference of nomenclature...

Another way of looking at it is - Luciferian is a term invented to sell a particular type of books, lol... This might be closer to the truth.
 

Kapalika

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Premium Member
Eh, I see them as having two different focuses and they tend to vary in philosophy. They are not mutually exclusive however so one can be one but not the other, or both at the same time. In my personal practice they are different in how they are practiced. It's kinda like how there are many kinds of yogas that compliment one another, although one is free to focus on just one or many depending on what works best for them.
 

Mindmaster

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Eh, I see them as having two different focuses and they tend to vary in philosophy. They are not mutually exclusive however so one can be one but not the other, or both at the same time. In my personal practice they are different in how they are practiced. It's kinda like how there are many kinds of yogas that compliment one another, although one is free to focus on just one or many depending on what works best for them.

I pretty much see Theistic Luciferians and Satanists as identical, again merely a name change or minor points of philosophy. I could see both being combined, honestly. I wouldn't feel out of place if I attended one of their events, personally.

When you get into Atheistic Luciferianism, I find that it becomes no comparison. Atheistic Satanists aren't on a path, they just adopt a few points of philosophy and add it to base atheism. In this case, I think it is that you are one or the other...
 

Kapalika

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I pretty much see Theistic Luciferians and Satanists as identical, again merely a name change or minor points of philosophy. I could see both being combined, honestly. I wouldn't feel out of place if I attended one of their events, personally.

When you get into Atheistic Luciferianism, I find that it becomes no comparison. Atheistic Satanists aren't on a path, they just adopt a few points of philosophy and add it to base atheism. In this case, I think it is that you are one or the other...

I think it depends. With theism, Luciferians can be totally different from the satanists, in my experience. I guess it just really depends on what we are talking about. Maybe we could give specific examples?
 

SabahTheLoner

Master of the Art of Couch Potato Cuddles
I'm a Satanist with Luciferian values, I guess. I'd be more likely to say I'm a Satanist but if someone labels me as a Luciferian, I wouldn't oppose that.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Luciferian. I'm not a Satanist, but we do have those who identify as Satanists within my Order.
 

Mindmaster

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Premium Member
I think it depends. With theism, Luciferians can be totally different from the satanists, in my experience. I guess it just really depends on what we are talking about. Maybe we could give specific examples?

I think they'd have as much in common as any other denomination of a religion would, so I don't really see the point. They might see Lucifer as a different guy than Satan maybe, but then they'd be wrong. I just see no point to argue about erroneous facts. Historically, Lucifer=Devil=Satan, anything else is just a bit silly. We could get into the biblical argument of the King of Babylon, but it has been done here... Christianity only differentiates Lucifer as Satan before his fall, so the term has been synonymous for 2000 years any other use is just silliness to some degree at this point. It really doesn't matter if you want to call the color of the sky sky blue, azure, or light blue or whatever... We all agree we are talking about the same thing... The argument is tantamount to debating that those various colors are actually something different... Not interested... :D

Other than the silly jargon, Theistic Luciferians and Satanists have very similar beliefs and it's more useful to discuss what they have in common rather than the minor differences between a few individuals...
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
I think they'd have as much in common as any other denomination of a religion would, so I don't really see the point. They might see Lucifer as a different guy than Satan maybe, but then they'd be wrong. I just see no point to argue about erroneous facts. Historically, Lucifer=Devil=Satan, anything else is just a bit silly. We could get into the biblical argument of the King of Babylon, but it has been done here... Christianity only differentiates Lucifer as Satan before his fall, so the term has been synonymous for 2000 years any other use is just silliness to some degree at this point. It really doesn't matter if you want to call the color of the sky sky blue, azure, or light blue or whatever... We all agree we are talking about the same thing... The argument is tantamount to debating that those various colors are actually something different... Not interested... :D
Too bad! I call! :p
2 Peter 1:19 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
19 So we have the prophetic word strongly confirmed. You will do well to pay attention to it, as to a lamp shining in a dismal place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

II Petri 1:19 Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE)
19 et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I think they'd have as much in common as any other denomination of a religion would, so I don't really see the point. They might see Lucifer as a different guy than Satan maybe, but then they'd be wrong. I just see no point to argue about erroneous facts. Historically, Lucifer=Devil=Satan, anything else is just a bit silly. We could get into the biblical argument of the King of Babylon, but it has been done here... Christianity only differentiates Lucifer as Satan before his fall, so the term has been synonymous for 2000 years any other use is just silliness to some degree at this point. It really doesn't matter if you want to call the color of the sky sky blue, azure, or light blue or whatever... We all agree we are talking about the same thing... The argument is tantamount to debating that those various colors are actually something different... Not interested... :D

Other than the silly jargon, Theistic Luciferians and Satanists have very similar beliefs and it's more useful to discuss what they have in common rather than the minor differences between a few individuals...

Lucifer wasn't used to mean Satan until much more recently than 2,000 years ago. Even the Catholics have positive definitions of the title "lucifer". Heck there were saints named Lucifer.

And to go to @crossfire 's point I know of a Christian Order around here that uses the term lucifer, light bearers ect
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
OK, if this is too risque for interfaith discussion, please delete:

Satanism or Luciferianism shell game2.jpg
 

Mindmaster

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Premium Member
Lucifer wasn't used to mean Satan until much more recently than 2,000 years ago. Even the Catholics have positive definitions of the title "lucifer". Heck there were saints named Lucifer.

And to go to @crossfire 's point I know of a Christian Order around here that uses the term lucifer, light bearers ect

Eh, pedantic really... Lucifer is a Latin word, it means what it means... it can be used in a literal sense or as a name, just like Satan = adversary, etc... To say adversary is Hebrew in the old days, you'd use that word... and.. whatnot... :D

My point was words are used many ways, and only the essence of subject really matters. Common threads through history and all... We could argue that modern uses and conventions are more relevant to the times as well, a subject of endless debate. :D

Anyway, I find that theistic anything is completely personal path. I've helped a few people and pointed them in the right direction, and will continue to do so because I consider it part of my service to Satan. I find Theistic Luciferianism and equally valid expression, maybe with a different set of talking points but ultimately coming to the same destination.

P.S. Fixed...:D
 
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Kapalika

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Premium Member
My point was words are used many ways, and only the essence of subject really matters. Common threads through history and all... We could argue that modern uses and conventions are more relevant to the times as well, a subject of endless debate. :D

Anyway, I find that theistic anything is completely personal path. I've helped a few people and pointed them in the right direction, and will continue to do so because I consider it part of my service to Satan. I find Theistic Luciferianism and equally valid expression, maybe with a different set of talking points but ultimately coming to the same destination.

I think the point you are missing is that view isn't universal and the view otherwise is more than marginal.
 

VioletVortex

Well-Known Member
I have no idea what differentiates a Luciferian and Satanist other than one has an aversion to certain names and what books you decide to read. Satan, and Lucifer are the the same guy in any sort of colloquial sense. To me, it has always been an attempt to white wash what is a pretty neutral character... :D Some people see Satan as a demonized name, but fail to realize that δαιμόνιον (daimonion) in Greek means, "spirit", and has no negative or positive connotation either way.

Luciferian organizations seem to be more active in the practical side of the LHP at this point because atheistic Satanist groups are more like devil fan clubs, rather than doing anything important. I call myself a Satanist out of a preference, but I am validly a Luciferian by any yard stick I can measure -- I just don't associate with Luciferian groups so I evade the name to avoid confusion.
If anyone has the right to the name Satanist, it is a theistic Satanist. :D Thus, my preference of nomenclature...

Another way of looking at it is - Luciferian is a term invented to sell a particular type of books, lol... This might be closer to the truth.

There's certainly some gray area. Personally, I see Satanism as a more autocentric (did I invent a word?) path, whereas Luciferianism deals more with humanity, and nature as a whole. Furthermore, Luciferianism tends to borrow a little from Buddhism. I'd consider most Satanists to be Luciferians (the exception being Marilyn Manson worshipping edgelords who think that LaVey is the Satanic messiah), but at the same time, I think that it is a matter of personal preference.

I currently consider myself to be a Luciferian. Whether it is the ultimatum of my religious explorations is unknown.
 

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The Greek used two different words, as did the Latin. Both languages distinguished between them.

Likewise lots of people Christians included still distinguish them. Just because oh say 70% or so of people don't doesn't mean everyone jumped on the bandwagon.
 
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