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“I just choose to not listen”: why Trump supporters are tuning out the scandals

BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
More liberal sour grape BS. Heard just tonight that the stock market is up 17% and unemployment is the lowest its been in over 10 years since Trump took office. Doesn't sound like flailing to me.
 
tytlyf

tytlyf

Not Religious
BSM1 said:
More liberal sour grape BS. Heard just tonight that the stock market is up 17% and unemployment is the lowest its been in over 10 years since Trump took office. Doesn't sound like flailing to me.
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The problem with that is Trump is taking all the credit for what Obama has accomplished. If Obama were still in office, the stock market would most likely be the same.
He takes credit for jobs and low unemployment, but that's another example.
Just because conservative entertainment tells people for 8 years that the economy is a nightmare and huge problem. It's opinion, not supposed to be taken as fact.
Now all of a sudden everything is peachy.

Propaganda is psychological. This article touches on that. Dangerous voters.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
BSM1 said:
More liberal sour grape BS. Heard just tonight that the stock market is up 17% and unemployment is the lowest its been in over 10 years since Trump took office. Doesn't sound like flailing to me.
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It takes some wacky mental gymnastics to frame objective observations as "liberal sour grapes". Would you consider John McCain and other republicans who oppose trump "liberals"? All you have to do is pay attention to what is actually going on, regardless of political affiliation. Pretending that someone is an infallible hero just because they happen to share your political views is downright imbecilic.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Sunstone said:
“I just choose to not listen”: why Trump supporters are tuning out the scandals

An interesting discussion of "motivated ignorance" that has application to more than Trump supporters. Anti-vaxxers and climate change denialists, for instance.

Please discuss.
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It boils down to willful ignorance and pride. People like to treat political parties like sports teams and then they pretend that their team are heroes who can do no wrong and that the other team are villains who can do no right. But unlike sports, where the outcome of the game is ultimately meaningless, the way people can play with power has lasting consequences that actually impact the world, such as people's rights, freedom, equality, etc. and if people can afford food and a home for their families, If they'll be able breath clean ear, drink clean water, eat clean food, etc. And then there's the "god" thing. If people perceive god to be on someone's side, then they're the "correct" choice. Honor, honesty, integrity, character, reputation, experience, competence, accountability, etc. are considered completely irrelevant.
 
Corvus

Corvus

Feathered eyeball connoisseur
Sunstone said:
An interesting discussion of "motivated ignorance" that has application to more than Trump supporters. Anti-vaxxers and climate change denialists, for instance.
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It's akin to religious faith, belief in something despite all the rational and legitimate evidence to the contrary.
 
bobhikes

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Jeremiahcp

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
BSM1 said:
More liberal sour grape BS. Heard just tonight that the stock market is up 17% and unemployment is the lowest its been in over 10 years since Trump took office. Doesn't sound like flailing to me.
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It is a nice sunny morning out, I suppose Trump is also responsible for that as well.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
BSM1 said:
More liberal sour grape BS. Heard just tonight that the stock market is up 17% and unemployment is the lowest its been in over 10 years since Trump took office. Doesn't sound like flailing to me.
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Wow ... way to deflect. The question was not about the achievements of Trump. It was referring to the scandals and the atrocious way Trump is handling them.
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Quetzal said:
What legislation/policy has he enacted that has caused this?
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It's called "confidence". Investors will let go of their dollars when they feel there's a reasonable expectation of return. This creates jobs as businesses receive the added boost of money that allows them to produce more goods and products to service the economy. Also, small businesses that may not be directly tied to the stock market will benefit from this atmosphere of business confidence and will likewise be able to hire new workers. You can never legislate economic success.
 
leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
BSM1 said:
It's called "confidence". Investors will let go of their dollars when they feel there's a reasonable expectation of return. This creates jobs as businesses receive the added boost of money that allows them to produce more goods and products to service the economy. Also, small businesses that may not be directly tied to the stock market will benefit from this atmosphere of business confidence and will likewise be able to hire new workers. You can never legislate economic success.
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What do you think Trump has done to inspire/earn this confidence?
 
esmith

esmith

Veteran Member
leibowde84 said:
What do you think Trump has done to inspire/earn this confidence?
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You would have to ask those that are purchasing the stocks.
But it might have been the anti-business attitude of the last administration that has been and will be thwarted
And to answer your next obvious question.
Google "was the Obama administration anti-business" and there are your answers.
 
Quetzal

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
BSM1 said:
You can never legislate economic success.
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Then wouldn't it be inaccurate to credit him for economic success? If he did not have a direct role to play to what your a claiming, he is not responsible. None of this is part of the OP so this will be my last comment on this topic unless we want to make a separate thread.
 
Quetzal

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
esmith said:
You would have to ask those that are purchasing the stocks.
But it might have been the anti-business attitude of the last administration that has been and will be thwarted
And to answer your next obvious question.
Google "was the Obama administration anti-business" and there are your answers.
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None of this answers the question.
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
BSM1 said:
It's called "confidence". Investors will let go of their dollars when they feel there's a reasonable expectation of return. This creates jobs as businesses receive the added boost of money that allows them to produce more goods and products to service the economy. Also, small businesses that may not be directly tied to the stock market will benefit from this atmosphere of business confidence and will likewise be able to hire new workers. You can never legislate economic success.
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I agree that confidence is a factor and that there was a confidence bump when Trump got elected.

However, you must also agree that the economy was pretty confident under Obama too. Right now, it's the highest it's been since 2008 but in 2015, that could also be said. Similarly, the unemployment rate was the lowest it's been in 2016, before it went lower in 2017.

I also distinctly recall Republicans disparaging both successss under Obama. The stock market doesn't reflect the rest of the economy, they said! The unemployment numbers don't show all the people who've dropped out of the workforce, they complained.

I was struck by how the Republican party had to paint a negative, dark picture of America even when signs of success and hope were available. I am glad that they are able to, once again, see the good in America, despite nothing significantly different happening in the economy. It is simply the same growth, just under different management. Apparently making America great again was simply a matter of changing perspective.
 
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leibowde84

leibowde84

Veteran Member
esmith said:
You would have to ask those that are purchasing the stocks.
But it might have been the anti-business attitude of the last administration that has been and will be thwarted
And to answer your next obvious question.
Google "was the Obama administration anti-business" and there are your answers.
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It made sense that Obama wasn't as "business friendly" as Trump. He couldn't afford to be. Unethical, irresponsible business practices led to the 2008 recession. Obama had to clean up that mess, caused mostly by a lack of proper regulation. Hopefully Trump's actions won't lead to another catastrophe.
 
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