Praying in the Name

[Blessed1203]

flesh gives birth to flesh
spirit gives birth to spirit

This is in John 3.
Jesus was talking about being born again.
Everyone is not born again. You have to ask God for the Holy Spirit. He doesn't force it on anyone.

Yes we are to feed the sheep,lamb. And not by bread along but the whole word of God.

 

[Fool]

This is in John 3.
Jesus was talking about being born again.
Everyone is not born again. You have to ask God for the Holy Spirit. He doesn't force it on anyone.

Yes we are to feed the sheep,lamb. And not by bread along but the whole word of God.

being awakened to the spiritual is being born again from the flesh; which counts for nothing to the spiritual that quickeneth yes.

but everyone is born with a latent but eternal spirit. some do not awaken to it.


And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

so no one gets into heaven; except those who came from heaven. everyone is borne spiritually from heaven and returns.

jacobs ladder

the lambs are christ


jesus is not christ alone.

jesus was a form of christ

just as all, or lambs, are a form of christ. they aren't forms of jesus

christ isn't exclusively a person. jesus is not God Almighty.

colossians 3:10-11

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

 

[Blessed1203]

being awakened to the spiritual is being born again from the flesh; which counts for nothing to the spiritual that quickeneth yes.

but everyone is born with a latent but eternal spirit. some do not awaken to it.


And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

so no one gets into heaven; except those who came from heaven. everyone is borne spiritually from heaven and returns.

jacobs ladder

the lambs are christ


jesus is not christ alone.

jesus was a form of christ

just as all, or lambs, are a form of christ. they aren't forms of jesus

christ isn't exclusively a person. jesus is not God Almighty.

colossians 3:10-11

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Being born of the Spirit in the bible is receiving the Holy Spirit. This is how you are born again. Remember christ said you need to be born of the water and the Spirit.

This is why you must be baptized by the water, then be baptized of the Spirit.

The epistles that Paul wrote to the church in Colosse was an all ready established church. There were contentious in the church. This is why Paul said once you recieve Chist this is when all is one because it is only one body but many members.

Christ is not in everybody. We must be born again to receive him

Again the bible declares that he is God Almighty.

What is your faith? Where you from?

 

[Fool]

Being born of the Spirit in the bible is receiving the Holy Spirit. This is how you are born again. Remember christ said you need to be born of the water and the Spirit.

This is why you must be baptized by the water, then be baptized of the Spirit.

The epistles that Paul wrote to the church in Colosse was an all ready established church. There were contentious in the church. This is why Paul said once you recieve Chist this is when all is one because it is only one body but many members.

Christ is not in everybody. We must be born again to receive him

Again the bible declares that he is God Almighty.

What is your faith? Where you from?

so you believe people aren't born with the Spirit of God?

being born of spirit and water comes from genesis 1:2

The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.


The breath of God hath made me god said let there be

The Spirit of the Almighty gave me life

breath and spirit have the same meaning,

neshamah and ruwach


ruwach = mind, spirit, breath, wind

neshamah = breath, spirit

when the spirit is referred in respect without a earthly body it is ruwach
when the spirit is referred in respect to a earthly body it is neshama
when the spirit is incased in the earthly body it is nephesh and called a soul

zechariah 12:1
A prophecy: The word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares:

Holy Spirit

In most languages breath and spirit are designated by the same term. The life-giving breath can not be of earthly origin, for nothing is found whence it may be taken. It is derived from the supernatural world, from God. God blew the breath of life into Adam


you identify with the body. you ignore the spirit. the form is not the action. forms come from action. a good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree can't bear good fruit by their actions you know their form

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

 

[Blessed1203]

so you believe people aren't born with the Spirit of God?

being born of spirit and water comes from genesis 1:2

The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.


The breath of God hath made me god said let there be

The Spirit of the Almighty gave me life

breath and spirit have the same meaning,

neshamah and ruwach


ruwach = mind, spirit, breath, wind

neshamah = breath, spirit

when the spirit is referred in respect without a earthly body it is ruwach
when the spirit is referred in respect to a earthly body it is neshama
when the spirit is incased in the earthly body it is nephesh and called a soul

zechariah 12:1
A prophecy: The word of the LORD concerning Israel. The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person, declares:

Holy Spirit

In most languages breath and spirit are designated by the same term. The life-giving breath can not be of earthly origin, for nothing is found whence it may be taken. It is derived from the supernatural world, from God. God blew the breath of life into Adam


you identify with the body. you ignore the spirit. the form is not the action. forms come from action. a good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree can't bear good fruit by their actions you know their form

5 Thus saith God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

The only people that received the breath of life was Adam and Eve. Then the fall of man came. Sin took over. Everyone else was born from them. So no, not everyone has the breath of life. This is why Jesus came to the scene to die for our sins.

And this is why we need to receive the Holy Spirit. This is how we get adopted.

 

[Fool]

The only people that received the breath of life was Adam and Eve. Then the fall of man came. Sin took over. Everyone else was born from them. So no, not everyone has the breath of life. This is why Jesus came to the scene to die for our sins.

And this is why we need to receive the Holy Spirit. This is how we get adopted.

the absolute doesn't adopt anything because the Almighty is everything. The ABSOLUTE/ALMIGHTY incorporates all that is; there is nothing apart from it. I AM is everything(i am)

you are extremely confused.

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, this verse was written before Jesus ever existed. there is no jesus, no moses, no elijah, no this person, or that person. the personality doesn't exist eternally. man lives once and then the judgment.


jesus didn't die for anyone's sin except the generation which ignored his teaching and executed him. like jonah, if the prophet did not warn the people, the prophet was not saved. But if you do warn the wicked person and they do not turn from their wickedness or from their evil ways, they will die for their sin; but you will have saved yourself. Jesus said, "Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world," he didn't say all generations would be held responsible.


My father is the Most High and is guilty of no sin. my physical body and those who help created are temporary beings. their spirit is eternal and comes from the same source as mine.



again another passage of the Most High's Spirit in mankind. this even before Jesus

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

 

[Blessed1203]

And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.

I will is future tense.

Joel 2:28 KJVS
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

This was a future prophecy.

Isaiah 9:6 KJVS
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Prophecy.

Isaiah 35:4-6 KJVS
Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you. [5] Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. [6] Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.

Prophecy.

Jeremiah 31:31 KJVS
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord , that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jeremiah 31:32 KJVS
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord :

Zechariah 9:9 KJVS
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.

Zechariah 12:10 KJVS
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son , and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. This is a good one.

John 5:39 KJVS
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. I will strengthen you, though you have not acknowledged me, this verse was written before Jesus ever existed. there is no jesus, no moses, no elijah, no this person, or that person. the personality doesn't exist eternally. man lives once and then the judgment.

Right, there is no other God. This is why the trinity fails. Jesus is God and man. This is the true mystery but not really because they realized who Jesus was.

1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

It seems foolish doesn't it?

1 Corinthians 1:21-23 KJVS
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. [22] For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: [23] But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

the absolute doesn't adopt anything because the Almighty is everything. The ABSOLUTE/ALMIGHTY incorporates all that is; there is nothing apart from it. I AM is everything(i am)

Judas denied Crist. He was not with Crist.
Matthew 12:30 KJVS
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

What is your faith brother/sister?

 

[Fool]

I will is future tense.

very good

Joel 2:28 KJVS
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

it says ALL flesh, it doesn't say Jesus

This was a future prophecy.

Isaiah 9:6 KJVS
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

no it says unto us a child is born is present tense and unto us a son is given is present tense. the government will be is future.

John 5:39 KJVS
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

that is because that spirit was adam, elisha, joseph, joshua, melchizedek, hermes asaph, hosea and a few others.

before abraham I AM that tells you he was melchizedek
moses spoke of a great prophet like him, that was joshua. joshua and yeshua are the same name basically as is hosea.
paul tells you So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

Right, there is no other God. This is why the trinity fails. Jesus is God and man. This is the true mystery but not really because they realized who Jesus was.

1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

It seems foolish doesn't it?

yes because you have changed the glory of god into the image of a beast

1 Corinthians 1:21-23 KJVS
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. [22] For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: [23] But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

god is manifested in all the material world because I AM that i am. there was nothing created that wasn't created literally of him, meaning from his being.

Judas denied Crist. He was not with Crist.
Matthew 12:30 KJVS
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

What is your faith brother/sister?

no judas wanted to force the kingdom into being without belief. it doesn't work that way.

you don't have to be an idolater to be a follower. the bible never, ever condones idolatry. even in revelation it specifically mentions it in relation to multiple churches.

unless you overcome the image of the beast you can in no wise understand.

all men are beasts; including jesus.

ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

mankind, like all the beasts of the field, were created of the earth. this is why it is blaspemy to worship any beast.


And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

 

[Blessed1203]

it says ALL flesh, it doesn't say Jesus

I know it says all flesh. I agree. And this prophecy happen in Acts 2.

Isaiah 9:6-7 KJVS
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. Future prophecy.

that is because that spirit was adam, elisha, joseph, joshua, melchizedek, hermes asaph, hosea and a few others.

before abraham I AM that tells you he was melchizedek
moses spoke of a great prophet like him, that was joshua. joshua and yeshua are the same name basically as is hosea.
paul tells you So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

No.

no judas wanted to force the kingdom into being without belief. it doesn't work that way.

You just said without belief. So for that very reason. He denied him. So he was not apart of him. He didn't make it.

you don't have to be an idolater to be a follower. the bible never, ever condones idolatry. even in revelation it specifically mentions it in relation to multiple churches.

unless you overcome the image of the beast you can in no wise understand.

all men are beasts; including jesus.

ecclesiastes 3:18
I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

mankind, like all the beasts of the field, were created of the earth. this is why it is blaspemy to worship any beast.


And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof

Isaiah 59:16-18 KJVS
And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. [17] For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke. [18] According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.

The most high became man. And brought salvation unto himself.

Isaiah 63:5 KJVS
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.

His own arm brought salvation. This is why Jesus the man says he only speaks what his Father says

 

[RoaringSilence]

Jesus said to pray to the Father in his Name.

Is this the Name in which he came? Is this the Name that self should be immersed in?

What is the Name and what is it's relevance to the manifested?


The Kybalion: Chapter VII. ''The All'' in All

is it okay to give my personal opinion from a different religion , or will that be rude?

 

[DavidFirth]

If you don't understand to obey, you will likely fall into a trap. Isn't avoiding the traps what faith is all about? I trust you know what is written in the Bible. The warning is that if you do not know God to obey The Truth you will surely obey a false god.

Understanding enough to obey is not the same as understanding every quark of the matter. Total understanding is not required.

 

[Fool]

is it okay to give my personal opinion from a different religion , or will that be rude?

no, all opinions are more than welcome. they may not be accepted because it doesn't align with someone's belief system. one thing i've learned is by practicing comparative beliefs. the truth can't be personal. jesus said you can do all the things he was doing by seemingly believing. if we believe there is a truth then that truth has to work the same for everyone.

 

[Fool]

Understanding enough to obey is not the same as understanding every quark of the matter. Total understanding is not required.

blind obedience to authority is the very road to hell. revelation literally means to uncover and jesus said to ask, seek, knock. question everything and everyone, jesus loved thomas too. a teacher loves a doubter and when they have that ah hah moment is priceless, magical. the whole world changes in that instance, in the twinkling of an eye all is revealed. love changes everything.

 

[Fool]

I know it says all flesh. I agree. And this prophecy happen in Acts 2.

Isaiah 9:6-7 KJVS
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. [7] Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. Future prophecy.

unto us is born a child is present tense. the government upon its shoulder is future tense. jesus told you take upon your shoulders the yoke. that is love. that is the key of david. that is the babes that paul fed with milk. that is the little children jesus tried to gather(yoke) together as a mother hen. that is the lambs from john 21:15. this is possible when the person believes jesus' testimony that you can do all these things and more. if the person tries to force the truth without the person believing, it is going to fail. jesus couldn't save those who didn't and don't believe. it is belief as a mustard seed. no seed(belief), no growth. no tree. everyone comes to the table; when they are hungry. they don't come willingly when they aren't believing. many will come from the east and west to sit at the table with abraham, isaac, and jacob. i am the servant who serves at that table and not so far from NOW i will sit down and enjoy the meal with all those I have prepared for and hopefully nourished. give us this day, our daily bread.

you are over analyzing out of fear. idolizing someone obstructs the revelation, or self realization because the idol covers up the truth. the truth is naked. stop dressing it up as exclusively jesus. jesus said you were the light of the world, a city set on a hill cannot be hid.

I will not hide. I AM the revelation of what was to come into being.

i am the city, i am the temple, i am of the ALL, I AM the ONE and there is no other.

Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

I AM is the name of the new jerusalem. i am the city on the hill, i am the mountain that is moved by the revelation, i am the wellspring of eternal life, i am the mustard seed, i am the tree that bears fruit, i am the light of the world, i am a stone in the temple........................love can do so much.

rev 21:10
And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

No.

yes, john the baptist was elijah. elijah was elisha's teacher and then they switched roles with Jesus becoming greater than John. that is what regeneration=palingenesis=metempsychosis=reincarnation is.

look at the strongs concordance definition and then google. ignoring the obvious is a choice.

You just said without belief. So for that very reason. He denied him. So he was not apart of him. He didn't make it.

again you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. jesus could not work his magic because of people's unbelief. he could not save those that don't believe. he couldn't show them the truth if they refused to look at the truth; because the truth would set them free and not bind them to idolatry and blind obedience in ignorance. belief is required; otherwise it doesn't work. the believer must accept the truth as impersonal and from self's own understanding. love is not a respecter of person. jesus explained this very thing to the woman at the well.

Isaiah 59:16-18 KJVS
And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. [17] For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke. [18] According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.

The most high became man. And brought salvation unto himself.

man is not a single man. man is mankind. you should consider using a concordance to understand the word being used

Isaiah 59:16-18 KJVSIsaiah 63:5 KJVS
And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.

His own arm brought salvation. This is why Jesus the man says he only speaks what his Father says

you're quoting isaiah who was speaking of himself. there is nothing new under the sun. isaiah spoke the truth. he didn't speak about jesus; otherwise he would have named him as jesus quoted isaiah.

again you're over analyzing out of fear. the truth doesn't come into and out of style with a prophet, or jesus. i am love. work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. stop covering up the light with Jesus.

the awe of Love is the beginning of wisdom because god is love. he who fears is not made perfect in love. one is a reaction the other is an attraction

 

[RoaringSilence]

The name is unspeakable and cannot be produced with instruments either..although it is a sound and not a name.. its called the anhad-naad (uneneding sound (just description of it but not actual name itself) ) in sikhism /hinduism .. its certainly not a word ..AUM /i am is post manifested sound . no method/ way to hear unspeakable name- absolutely no way other than grace alone,as mentioned in Guru granth sahib. however to become worthy of grace one can praise god or be in remembrance ...and eventually the sound reveals itself by grace.GuruGranth sahib is all about "the name" ..very very indepth - and its compatible to bible or any other religion to a great extent.

 

[Fool]

The name is unspeakable and cannot be produced with instruments either..although it is a sound and not a name.. its called the anhad-naad (uneneding sound (just description of it but not actual name itself) ) in sikhism /hinduism .. its certainly not a word ..AUM /i am is post manifested sound . no method/ way to hear unspeakable name- absolutely no way other than grace alone,as mentioned in Guru granth sahib. however to become worthy of grace one can praise god or be in remembrance ...and eventually the sound reveals itself by grace.GuruGranth sahib is all about "the name" ..very very indepth - and its compatible to bible or any other religion to a great extent.

it isn't unspeakable because Love spoke all of it into being. a human can not speak it all because as earthlings we can only know the things we have experienced from our point of view in space/time. all manifested things came to be from that ineffable name having been uttered.

it is the Spirit, or energy waves, emanating from all directions, like the wind, that create the differences in forms based on direction and vibration/speed.


so i disagree. because the ALL, or the ABSOLUTE, is the All in all. or if you prefer the I in the infinite intelligence, omni literally means all as in omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, all is manifested in the ALL; which is panentheism

 

[DavidFirth]

blind obedience to authority is the very road to hell. revelation literally means to uncover and jesus said to ask, seek, knock. question everything and everyone, jesus loved thomas too. a teacher loves a doubter and when they have that ah hah moment is priceless, magical. the whole world changes in that instance, in the twinkling of an eye all is revealed. love changes everything.

I hardly implied "blind obedience." I simply stated that one does not have to know everything, only what he needs to know.

 

[Fool]

I hardly implied "blind obedience." I simply stated that one does not have to know everything, only what he needs to know.

OK. we die from what we don't know but who wants to live forever like this; when there are so many other things to experience. I want to know more and better. I want to know so much more than just this little bit.


I know a lot about nothing and little of alot but I want to know a lot more. and i learn so much from people like you. teach me a lesson. you taught me how important belief is in relation to blind obedience.

 

[DavidFirth]

OK. we die from what we don't know but who wants to live forever like this; when there are so many other things to experience. I want to know more and better. I want to know so much more than just this little bit.


I know a lot about nothing and little of alot but I want to know a lot more.

There is a limit to what you can know. I would rather discover love, righteousness and well being forever. I count the acquisition of knowledge rather low compared to that.

 

[Fool]

There is a limit to what you can know. I would rather discover love, righteousness and well being forever. I count the acquisition of knowledge rather low compared to that.

my body is limited by this dimension of space and time. my consciousness knows no limit. an open mind is an finite thing only when it stops reaching, stops knocking, stops asking, stops.

your mind is like the sky, immeasurable.

the conditional mind is one who tries to control everything. let go and let Love draw you