Mandela Effect Moves South America East

[George-ananda]

How many here are familiar with this controversy called the Mandela Effect?

Now this requires thinking beyond our normal conception of one reality and one linear timeline. I was initially intrigued by the Berenstein vs. Bernstain Bears controversy.

Today I was sitting on my armchair gazing at my globe in the distance and I noticed South America is way too far eastward from where I always knew it to be. I live in Detroit and the entire continent of South America is now east of me. I just feel strongly that this was not the case from my childhood memories (I have always liked globes and maps).

I would swear as a child it looked more like A than B. There are many having the same experience on this and other issues as me. What was your memories of South America? Enough people like me remember the 'A' version that this is a controversy.

Certainly the simplest explanation is just many people are having the same memory errors, the unreliability of memories, etc.. I agree that this is a possible answer for you Occam's Razors out there.

Alternate explanations includes one that says we experience on multiple timelines and in one timeline different earth events moved South America further east than in another timeline. As there is a version of us in multiple timelines our memories can get crossed over and we remember things from one timeline while in another timeline. It's a mystery and don't expect me to have all the answers.

This is not the old George-Ananda's last slip from reality BUT is really now a major internet topic.

What do you guys think of the Mandela Effect, South America and the other argued examples of the Mandela Effect?

 

[Nietzsche]

Are you seriously saying it's more likely that the entirety of reality has been somehow retconned or restructured...than for a few people to have just been mistaken?

Our memories get worse and worse as more time passes, because to remember something our brain has to "revisit" the area it stored the memory. Each time you remember something, you actually change it. Because it is technically becoming a "present" experience as far as your brain is concerned. Rewritten, more or less, and any mistakes you make in your recollection become more and more permanent.

 

[Nakosis]

I thought it was a little weird too, my son went to Puerto Vallarta. Where I thought this was fairly directly below us in California, turns out it's a couple of time zones over. At first I thought it was on the East coast or something being that far over.

Perhaps we somehow got sucked into the wrong multi-verse.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

 

[George-ananda]

Are you seriously saying it's more likely that the entirety of reality has been somehow retconned or restructured...than for a few people to have just been mistaken?

no, the theory I put out there is not saying reality was reconstructed. It is saying we didn't understand reality in the first place and still don't. Like 'what the bleep do we know?.

Anyway, do you have a childhood remembrance of South America's location. Or any other of the examples?

 

[George-ananda]

Perhaps we somehow got sucked into the wrong multi-verse.

Or perhaps there is an 'us' in many multiverses but we only experience the one we are in but our soul experiences all of them. A soul with connections in many timeframes????

 

[LuisDantas]

Projection distortions are a likely part of the explanation.

 

[Nietzsche]

Anyway, do you have a childhood remembrance of South America's location. Or any other of the examples?

I've been into cartography for a long time, and barring the obvious differences created due to changes caused by alternate projections the continents have always been in the same place.

 

[George-ananda]

Projection distortions are a likely part of the explanation.

But do you remember more 'A' or more 'B' as a child. I want to hear a South American's perspective. And your answer may take me to another point.

 

[George-ananda]

I've been into cartography for a long time, and barring the obvious differences created due to changes caused by alternate projections the continents have always been in the same place.

So, does 'B' look more right to you from your childhood recollections? A globe should not change projections. My intrigue was caused by looking at a globe today versus when I was a kid. I can't present a 3-D globe here.

 

[George-ananda]

Projection distortions are a likely part of the explanation.

A globe shouldn't change projections. I do not know how to present a 3-D globe here.

 

[YmirGF]

I've been into cartography for a long time, and barring the obvious differences created due to changes caused by alternate projections the continents have always been in the same place.

Oh, c'mon, @Nietzsche they have definitely moved a millimeter or two due to plate tectonics.

 

[LuisDantas]

But do you remember more 'A' or more 'B' as a child. I want to hear a South American's perspective. And your answer may take me to another point.

More like A. But really, that means next to nothing. I also remember Greenland being about as big as South America, which is a known result of projection distortion.

A globe shouldn't change projections. I do not know how to present a 3-D globe here.

Were it easy, there would not be a need to accept the downsides of the various projections.

It is an interesting field to research, that of cartographical projections.

 

[George-ananda]

More like A.

Me too.

But really, that means next to nothing. I also remember Greenland being about as big as South America, which is a known result of projection distortion.

Flat maps can certainly have that issue but globes should always be the same. I remember globes from a kid that I would look at for a long time.

 

[Nietzsche]

So, does 'B' look more right to you from your childhood recollections? A globe should not change projections. My intrigue was caused by looking at a globe today versus when I was a kid. I can't present a 3-D globe here.

Yes. As far as your globe point; how often do you genuinely look at a globe rather than a flat map? I'm reasonably sure you, like the over-whelming majority of people, tend to see maps. There are numerous different projections available for maps, and some of them can make the southern hemisphere look extremely distorted.

However, there's a much bigger problem here. The shape of this alternate south and central America would result in radically different climates all over the planet. For it to be shaped like that implies very different plate tectonics, which means it would've been different much further back, long before human evolution. A difference that large may well have butterflied away human evolution, due to the difference in weather patterns, seasons, animal and plant evolution, so on. North America, Europe, Africa...**** it, the entire world would have very different biomes.

But let's ignore 99% of that and say, somehow, humans still managed to evolve. The history of this world be completely different from our own. Human migratory pattern would be different, where we decided to settle would be different, so on. The humankind of that world would be extremely different culturally and technologically from our own, because our histories would be utterly incompatible. We would not even share languages because of this.

So, no. This did not happen. Because it fails to take into account the innumerable changes this implies.

 

[George-ananda]

Yes. As far as your globe point; how often do you genuinely look at a globe rather than a flat map?

I was a globe guy as a kid. But anyway the flat maps look different. And the lines of longitude have always been a frame of reference. Does 'A' or 'B' look more like your childhood memories?

However, there's a much bigger problem here. The shape of this alternate south and central America would result in radically different climates all over the planet. For it to be shaped like that implies very different plate tectonics, which means it would've been different much further back, long before human evolution. A difference that large may well have butterflied away human evolution, due to the difference in weather patterns, seasons, animal and plant evolution, so on. North America, Europe, Africa...**** it, the entire world would have very different biomes.

But let's ignore 99% of that and say, somehow, humans still managed to evolve. The history of this world be completely different from our own. Human migratory pattern would be different, where we decided to settle would be different, so on. The humankind of that world would be extremely different culturally and technologically from our own, because our histories would be utterly incompatible. We would not even share languages because of this.

So, no. This did not happen. Because it fails to take into account the innumerable changes this implies.

Your climate arguments is where the mind-bending comes in. In our timeline it has always been like 'B' with it's ripple effects. In another timeline it has always been like 'A' with its ripple effects. It's really a memory issue crossing timelines. A glitch? But you seem like an Occam's Razor sort of chap.

 

[Nietzsche]

I was a globe guy as a kid. But anyway the flat maps look different. And the lines of longitude have always been a frame of reference. Does 'A' or 'B' look more like your childhood memories?

B.

Your climate arguments is where the mind-bending comes in. In our timeline it has always been like 'B' with it's ripple effects. In another timeline it has always been like 'A' with its ripple effects. It's really a memory issue crossing timelines. A glitch? But you seem like an Occam's Razor sort of chap.

"Memory issue"? If you're from Timeline A, your memories are going to be completely incompatible for the society in Timeline B. Again, the culture of both these worlds could not possibly be compatible. The point of divergence is too far back. There would be no "South America", its name would be something completely different. There would not even be an English language by which it gained that name because the point of divergence here long predates the Indo-European language family, let alone English.

 

[George-ananda]

B.

Ok so you remember it like my current globe. The Mandela Effect postulates that there are different correct memories for the same thing contrary to standard logic.

"Memory issue"? If you're from Timeline A, your memories are going to be completely incompatible for the society in Timeline B. Again, the culture of both these worlds could not possibly be compatible. The point of divergence is too far back. There would be no "South America", its name would be something completely different. There would not even be an English language by which it gained that name because the point of divergence here long predates the Indo-European language family, let alone English.

I hear you. But I think what some are considering is that almost all of our memories are from the correct timeline (but just with a few mysterious glitches). And don't ask me to explain how reality works.

I know your explanation is simpler and may be correct too but I have looked into this enough to be open to the non-simple hypotheses. It's a longer story.

 

[Nietzsche]

I hear you. But I think what some are considering is that almost all of our memories are from the correct timeline (but just with a few mysterious glitches). And don't ask me to explain how reality works.

I know your explanation is simpler and may be correct too but I have looked into this enough to be open to the non-simple hypotheses. It's a longer story.

If you're sitting on a bench, and there's a horse stable nearby, and you hear hooves coming up from behind you, are you really going to assume "unicorn" is equally as likely an answer as "horse"?

Because that's what you're saying with this one.

 

[George-ananda]

If you're sitting on a bench, and there's a horse stable nearby, and you hear hooves coming up from behind you, are you really going to assume "unicorn" is equally as likely an answer as "horse"?

Because that's what you're saying with this one.

I'd go 'horse' in that case. No reason not to. This one's more complicated if you really look into it.