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What are your thoughts about the Catholic Church?

What do you think of the Catholic Church?

  • I love the Church

    Votes: 5 8.3%
  • I like the Church

    Votes: 9 15.0%
  • The Church isn't too bad

    Votes: 8 13.3%
  • I dislike the Church

    Votes: 27 45.0%
  • I hate the Church

    Votes: 11 18.3%

  • Total voters
    60

Athena Plato

"Who do you say I am?"
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Just wondering if you could share your thoughts about Catholicism, if you have any. :)
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Jesus warned us about Peter’s Loyalties: “But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of Men.” -Matthew 16:23, King James Holy Bible.

First of all I would like to Apologize for what I am about to write. The problem that I have is I feel compelled to answer this question honestly and truthfully; while at the same time trying not offend anyone, which is impossible. In Canada, we promote free speech---but not hate speech, and I ask, that you consider my post is not about the people currently running the Church, and the approximately 1.2 Billion Catholics who follow the Church that I believe are Good people. My post refers to the over 2,000 year old “Legal Entity” known originally as the Roman Empire, and is now called the Vatican and Holy See.

“What profit the fable of Christ has brought us.” –Pope Leo X, 1400 AD.

In 86 BC, Roman General Sulla destroyed the Higher Learning Academy, Axed the Sacred Olive Trees of Athena, Stole the Book of Life and Knowledge, and the Roman Catholic Church was formed. Now, 2,103 years later, it is the largest Christian Church on Earth, and claims that it is the "one, true church" founded by Jesus Christ, and its bishops are the successors of Christ's Apostles, and that the Pope is the successor to Saint Peter, and maintains the doctrine on faith and morals it presents as definitive, is infallible.

Infallibility can be defined as the inability to err in teaching revealed truth. But, the Vatican and the Holy See have yet to prove the source of their infallibility, whether in Doctrines, Scripture, or Church authorities. In contrast, Protestant, and non-denominational Christian Churches, believe that their Church is indeed fallible, as evidenced by Christ's sacrifice on the cross to pay for the sins of the world, including those of his Church, and only God's word in Scripture is infallible.

Which is correct.

They also reject the Roman Catholic claim regarding Papal Infallibility---Citing not just scriptural reasons---But, also the many times Popes have contradicted each other, and the long history of mistakes and unconscionable acts committed by many Popes throughout Roman Catholic Church history. Just think of the thousands, and thousands, and thousands of lives lost because of this Entity. A Holocaust of epic proportions. How can I love what it represents, knowing that God shall never forgive what it has done, and the Church has no biblical or legal authority to speak on behalf of God.

All you have to do is look at its long history of denial, lying, preaching, worshipping idols, and its usury---taking money for selling the forgiveness of sins and the unconscionable acts of child molestation. How in God’s name it evolved into one of the most profitable, “non-profit” Entities on Earth, with considerable Assets and influence; that's founded on an Apostle who denied our Lord Jesus Christ three times, and is buried under the Vatican, drowning in the Holy See, and who Jesus knew was Satan; I just cannot understand.

In summary, and I Apologize once again, and this post will probably be removed but, “X” marks the spot of Satan’s Church of Imitation and Ignorance. (Satan = false prophet: “to obstruct or oppose.”). And although I do not hate the people running and following the Church now, I have to be truthful about the Original Entity and what it represents, and for that reason I cannot lie, and must vote that I hate its history of lies and murder of Christians and Jews, and everything that it was founded on, which was Evil, not Good.

Thank-you for your post. God Bless.

Amen, Athena.
 
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Athena Plato

"Who do you say I am?"
The rock on which the church was to be built was Peter.


“And in the days of these kings shall the God of Heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.”---The Book of Daniel (Denial), 2: 44, King James Holy Bible.

The Rock is now broken. Thanks for the quote. God Bless.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
First of all I would like to Apologize for what I am about to write.

You have not written anything that Catholics are not aware of, and a lot that Catholics would agree with. Concerning papal infallibility, it was not claimed until Vatican I, and then not without descent. There have been only two infallible statements, the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary. The pope consulted sensus fidelium (sense of the faithful) through the bishops and laity as to what was believed. Many Catholics question the infallibility of the pope.

Now, 2,103 years later, it is the largest Christian Church on Earth, and claims that it is the "one, true church" founded by Jesus Christ, and its bishops are the successors of Christ's Apostles, and that the Pope is the successor to Saint Peter, and the doctrine on faith and morals it presents as definitive, is infallible.

What the Church claims is that the church founded by Jesus Christ, the early churches, 'subsists' in the Catholic Church. Apostolic succession concerns the apostolic teaching passed on through the college of bishops. Not some personal one on one. The Church is not frozen in time and admits to the development of doctrine. As for St Peter the Church could just as easily say Peter and Paul were two 'pillars' of the church. To understand what and why the Church refers to Peter you would have to look at Patristic writings contemporaneous to the NT times.

and its usury--taking money for selling the forgiveness of sins

You are confusing two different issues.

that's founded on an Apostle who denied our Lord Jesus Christ three times and is buried under the Vatican, drowning in the Holy See, and who Jesus knew was Satan; I just cannot understand.

You will have to address the question to Jesus who, according to Scripture, chose him.
We are admittedly a church of sinners, the notable difference between Catholics and Protestants, we look and hope for salvation while Protestants assume they are already saved.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
The Rock is now broken. Thanks for the quote. God Bless.

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the stone...cut from the mountain without a hand being put to it... the kingdom God will establish will end all pagan kingdoms and will last forever. In the NT the sense of these passages is transferred from the theocratic kingdom to the King, Jesus Christ.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
You don't think that the fate of souls after death is within God's control?

We are the ones who determine our fate. God knows the heart. The premise of your question is moot to me for I do not live in a 1st cent mind set and do not believe in physical hell, but a state of being in the absence of God. God has allowed us to choose our own fate.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
We are the ones who determine our fate. God knows the heart. The premise of your question is moot to me for I do not live in a 1st cent mind set and do not believe in physical hell, but a state of being in the absence of God.
Whatever you believe in, you do think it's what Jesus was referring to with "woe" and "wailing and gnashing of teeth, right?

God has allowed us to choose our own fate.
... from among options chosen by God and according to rules devised by God, with God knowing the outcome of the system he has devised. What happens is God's deliberate choice.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Though there was a dark side in the image of Peter, one of a week and sinful man, this is outweighed by NT testimony that images Peter as early witness risen Jesus, leader and spokesman of the Twelve, the missionary.
I don't consider those "good points." It's like giving a medal out for someone doing what is in the job description.

It becomes clear to the Christian community with this faith Peter is the rock upon whom Jesus has founded his church.
It is clear he considered himself leader over them. That's all.

It is Peter who received the revelation that Jesus is the Messiah.
What is the point of having disciples following you around if they don't believe you are?

In 2 Pt Peter speaks as a magisterial voice that can interpret the prophecies of Scripture (1:20), and can correct misinterpretations based on the authority of other apostles, as Paul (3:15).
Just because Peter and Paul think highly of themselves doesn't mean I have to. Feel free to put them on a pedestal if you wish.

Peter was a great apostle.
Angel: Welcome, Pete. It's good to have you here today. For what position are you applying?
Peter: Keeper of the Keys to the Kingdom ... KKK.
Angel: Got it. Okay. What are the high points of your career with Jesus?
Peter: I consistently didn't understand his parables. I was a notorious sandal-licker. I claimed he was the messiah since he wanted to hear it and when he was arrested, I was quick to flip-flop to take the heat off of me. I led a group that demanded people live for Christ and accept martyrdom and every time I was jailed, I let an angel bust me out of jail because jails in ancient Rome don't even have cable.
Angel: I see. It says here you murdered at least two people over money.
Peter: That's a lie. They lied to me about how much money they were to give me, so the Wrath of God killed them.
Angel: You were the only one in the room. Plus, it's really none of your business.
Peter: I am Jesus' Chosen One. I will bring balance to the Force. Besides, we all have to give up EVERYTHING we own to be Christians, so why should those two get out of it?
Angel: Are you employed?
Peter: I am a missionary.
Angel: Do you have an income?
Peter: The charity of those who listen to me.
Angel: What are you sacrificing if you don't have a job?

Note: I could go for hours on this, but no ... he's not "great" by any standard other than that of his ego.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Note: I could go for hours on this, but no ... he's not "great" by any standard other than that of his ego.

I'm sure you could. But you are offering nothing but private opinion. That Peter enjoyed prominence among the disciples of Jesus is evident in the NT. Why did Jesus choose Peter, probably because he was not humanly perfect, but perfectly human with all his flaws.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Often we read "Peter and the others", and also it was Peter who Jesus said "feed my sheep...", and if multiple apostles are mentioned, Peter's name is usually first.

So, what did Jesus see in Peter? I haven't a clue. And a similar question could be asked in reference to why did God pick David? Again, I'm clueless-- but then you all knew that.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
My post refers to the over 2,000 year old “Legal Entity” known originally as the Roman Empire, and is now called the Vatican and Holy See.
The Roman Empire was totally unrelated to the CC, especially since the former tried to eliminate the latter at various intervals.

But, the Vatican and the Holy See have yet to prove the source of their infallibility, whether in Doctrines, Scripture, or Church authorities.
With religious dogmas, "prove" simply is not in the cards.

and only God's word in Scripture is infallible.
And how do you supposedly know that? And who do you thing chose the scriptures?

“X” marks the spot of Satan’s Church of Imitation and Ignorance. (Satan = false prophet: “to obstruct or oppose.”). And although I do not hate the people running and following the Church now, I have to be truthful about the Original Entity and what it represents, and for that reason I cannot lie, and must vote that I hate its history of lies and murder of Christians and Jews, and everything that it was founded on, which was Evil, not Good.
Let me ask you which denomination you belong to, and do they encourage you to have the same negative bias against the CC that I was also taught when growing up in a fundamentalist Protestant church, or did you just decide to do this on your own?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
The rock on which the church was to be built was Peter.

Wait. Peter is not in the Eucharist, Jesus Christ is. All the apostles teachings, Peter included, are from Christ. So, how is Peter the rock equal to that of christ? The Church is married to christ... and so forth.

Other than apostolic succession of christ's teachings, what is peter's authority in relations to christ (as christ is to his father)?
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Wait. Peter is not in the Eucharist, Jesus Christ is.

By the time the NT was penned there already existed the churches and the Eucharist. There is no equality with Christ suggested. There are other possibilities, If Jesus had the expectation of the end and may not planned for a continuing church, he may have planned for a renewal of the people of Israel.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
By the time the NT was penned there already existed the churches and the Eucharist. There is no equality with Christ suggested. There are other possibilities, If Jesus had the expectation of the end and may not planned for a continuing church, he may have planned for a renewal of the people of Israel.

The Church is continued through jesus christ. I never heard of a reference to Peter at Mass other than praying for him with the other saints. I wouldn't see how Peter is important when the foundation of the church is christ and not the person who continued christ's church.
 
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