Resurrection of Christ: Literal fact or spiritual reality?

[Dawnofhope]

I think that the insistence on a literalist interpretation is in fear, what's left? Neither is it reasonable to insist that we Christians have the only answer to salvation, There's a reluctance to 'let God be God' and save whom ever she/he wills.

This distortion of religion, where it becomes something very removed from the Spirit that inspired it, has consequences. For many, the lights simply go off, as it becomes impossible to believe. Many leave religion or the vitality of men's faith in God dies out. Confusion surrounds religion. A spiritual crisis results and people no longer know where to turn. What oppression could be greater, where the soul of humanity is afflicted, and bereft and disillusioned, people can no longer find the light.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:”
Matthew 24:29

The sun, moon, and stars symbolise the fallen condition of religion.

 

[pearl]

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:”
Matthew 24:29

The sun, moon, and stars symbolise the fallen condition of religion.

There is another way to perceive the Parousia , not dustruction, but transformation.

 

[Dawnofhope]

There is another way to perceive the Parousia , not dustruction, but transformation.

I believe it is both transformative and destructive. The Olivet discourse in Matthew begins with Jesus prophesising the temple and Jerusalem will be destroyed. There will be the accompanying rise of the church with associated tribulations. These are the twin process of the breakdown of the prevailing social/religious order and the birth of a new one (Christianity). This story of events that are relatively near (70AD) are an allegory for distant events that surround the Parousia. After the Parousia there are the twin processes of birth and death, destruction and transformation and of course resurrection of the dead (metaphorically).

 

[MJFlores]

So its like an opening to the next world that became appaerent at the time of the ascension? The early Christian thinkers obviously got that one wrong too. It is an explanation that satisfies you. Do you believe that the earth was created in six days, six thousand years ago?

Where ever my Lord Jesus went up in heaven, he will return in the same fashion as it is written:

“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Whatever propulsion or method of how he was taken up - that is the power of God. Where he is now, no powerful telescope could peek. What I know, he will be back someday.

 

[pearl]

This story of events that are relatively near (70AD) are an allegory for distant events that surround the Parousia. After the Parousia there are the twin processes of birth and death, destruction and transformation and of course resurrection of the dead (metaphorically).

Jesus inaugurated the kingdom and with it the Eschaton.
One of the reasons for little or no written sources until the next generation, when they realized it would not be in their lifetime.

 

[MHz]

I'm not too sure what part of Matthew 23 you are referring to.

The sermon was only to the temple staff and it was at Passover so it is quite possible that Saul was in town. That group is a remnant of the temple staff that caused God to send in Neb and take them into exile in Babylon. They are also the ones being front and center as far as who was to not be told about the vision on the mountain with Christ, Moses and Elias. God intentionally kept that from them so they would fulfill the prophecies.
When Jesus said, 'It is finished.' moments before He died on the cross it was a reference to all things to do with the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15. The cross was in the middle of the 70th week, 3 1/2 more years would be needed to fulfill that prophecy. The last event done for the Jews alone was making Gentile food clean and that was in preparation to the scattering from the prophecy in De:4:30. The preaching Peter did in Acts:10 was the first act for the people that would be involved in the 'latter days' from that prophecy.
When Saul saw Stephen being killed it was before the end of the 70 week and that is known to be associated with the heel bruise while the 'latter days' is about the prophecy and fulfillment of the bruise to Satan's head.

If nothing else Saul was sincere in his devotion to God, however what was given to the Jews was applicable to the heel bruise, all NT teaching is focused on the ones that will face judgment, namely all the nations on earth. When Neb was sent in it was as a servant of God so that puts Neb in line for a reward, that also applies to all Gentile Nations between Neb and the last Gentile king to rule over Jerusalem. That will be found in the two witnesses as the ones that kill them are angelic beings that make a return from when they ruled on earth before the flood. Any sins between the cross and the food vision in Acts:10 is a reference to the 'overspreading of abominations' that would take place in that 3 1/2 year period. From 33AD to 70AD it was when the Apostles stayed in Jerusalem and taught the same message that Paul and the Beloved Disciple were teaching in the Nations. What they started has to be completed before the judging of the Nations from Jer:25 can begin. Since there is only one time nations are judged all OT prophecy about that sort of event is a reference to that singular event.

I have no problem with Paul as with any of the other apostles. I do think we need to acknowledge that Paul never saw the resurrected Jesus. He did have an experience on the road to Damascus. He did have a mystical experience.

The conversion that Saul went through fits in with the prophecy from De:4:30 and the sincere searching in the period of time known as the 'latter days' as they started in the middle of Acts:10 and that will last until the day the two witnesses are resurrected. That is also the day the Jews from Matthew:23 will hail Jesus as being the Messiah promised by God in the OT Prophecies. The literal resurrection of the whole House of Israel as written about in Eze:37 is when the ones at that sermon will fulfill this prophecy.

M't:23:37-39:
O Jerusalem,
Jerusalem,
thou that killest the prophets,
and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
how often would I have gathered thy children together,
even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings,
and ye would not!
Behold,
your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you,
Ye shall not see me henceforth,
till ye shall say,
Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

2 Corinthians 12:1-6

That wasn't Paul. The only one taken to the 3rd heaven is the writer of Hebrews:12 as the chastisement that takes place in that chapter is said to be at Mount Sion.That is the same location as the Great White Throne in Re:2 and New Jerusalem in Re:21 and 22. The only other person shown that was the Beloved Disciple when she wrote the Book of Revelations.

There are 3 versions to Saul's conversion,by himself, by those he was with, and how the Holy Spirit saw it.

Ac:9:3-7:
And as he journeyed,
he came near Damascus:
and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
And he fell to the earth,
and heard a voice saying unto him,
Saul,
Saul,
why persecutest thou me?
And he said,
Who art thou,
Lord?
And the Lord said,
I am Jesus whom thou persecutest:
it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
And he trembling and astonished said,
Lord,
what wilt thou have me to do?
And the Lord said unto him,
Arise,
and go into the city,
and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless,
hearing a voice,
but seeing no man.

Ac:22:6-10:
And it came to pass,
that,
as I made my journey,
and was come nigh unto Damascus about noon,
suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round about me.
And I fell unto the ground,
and heard a voice saying unto me,
Saul,
Saul,
why persecutest thou me?
And I answered,
Who art thou,
Lord?
And he said unto me,
I am Jesus of Nazareth,
whom thou persecutest.
And they that were with me saw indeed the light,
and were afraid;
but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
And I said,
What shall I do,
Lord?
And the Lord said unto me,
Arise,
and go into Damascus;
and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do.

Heb:12:22:
But ye are come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God,
the heavenly Jerusalem,
and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb:12:23:
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn,
which are written in heaven,
and to God the Judge of all,
and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

He framed that experience by talking about a resurrected God to his Greco-Roman audience.

If anybody pulled a fast one it would have been at this event.

Ac:17:22:
Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill,
and said,
Ye men of Athens,
I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
Ac:17:23:
For as I passed by,
and beheld your devotions,
I found an altar with this inscription,
TO THE UNKNOWN GOD.
Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship,
him declare I unto you.

Once again its all part of the same NT. I think the most important point here is how the New Testament replaces the Old.
Hebrews 8:13

It doesn't replace it, it has more information on the two bruises from Ge:3:15. The 4 Gospels give the details on how the bruise to the heel was completed and the rest of the NT is a guide to the people that will face the last judgment as a few of them will be living witnesses rather than being a resurrected person. Ge:1-3 and Re:20-22 are a mini Bible as far as who is God and where are we.

That covenant isn't made with anybody but the people that are alive on the earth at the end of the day the 7th trump sounds.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Where ever my Lord Jesus went up in heaven, he will return in the same fashion as it is written:

“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Whatever propulsion or method of how he was taken up - that is the power of God. Where he is now, no powerful telescope could peek. What I know, he will be back someday.

Perhaps the biggest problem with this from a scriptural perspective is that Flesh can not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:50). It makes no sense to me, the same physical Jesus being brought to life. Jesus came form heaven (which is used by John symbolically) so would presume symbolism and allegory in way the author of Luke writes in Acts.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Jesus inaugurated the kingdom and with it the Eschaton.
One of the reasons for little or no written sources until the next generation, when they realized it would not be in their lifetime.

I'm good with that explanation and would go further in likening the church to the body of Christ that came to life three days after Jesus was crucified.

 

[Dawnofhope]

The sermon was only to the temple staff and it was at Passover so it is quite possible that Saul was in town. That group is a remnant of the temple staff that caused God to send in Neb and take them into exile in Babylon. They are also the ones being front and center as far as who was to not be told about the vision on the mountain with Christ, Moses and Elias. God intentionally kept that from them so they would fulfill the prophecies.

What about Matthew 23:1 ?

Who is Neb? Nebuchadnezzar?

When Jesus said, 'It is finished.' moments before He died on the cross it was a reference to all things to do with the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

You read a lot into this verse:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Genesis 3:15

The cross was in the middle of the 70th week, 3 1/2 more years would be needed to fulfill that prophecy.

I'm aware of that connection as I've studies Daniel 9:24-27. I wouldn't assume many others make that connection. You might want to dumb it down a little.

When Saul saw Stephen being killed it was before the end of the 70 week and that is known to be associated with the heel bruise while the 'latter days' is about the prophecy and fulfilment of the bruise to Satan's head.

Interesting connection with the end of the last week.

If nothing else Saul was sincere in his devotion to God, however what was given to the Jews was applicable to the heel bruise, all NT teaching is focused on the ones that will face judgment, namely all the nations on earth. When Neb was sent in it was as a servant of God so that puts Neb in line for a reward, that also applies to all Gentile Nations between Neb and the last Gentile king to rule over Jerusalem.

Interesting connection again. I'm a little more interested in Cyrus who Isaiah spoke of being the anointed one Isaiah 44 and 45. He ordered the rebuild of the second temple and Jerusalem and presided over one of the largest empires, and multicultural at that.

That will be found in the two witnesses as the ones that kill them are angelic beings that make a return from when they ruled on earth before the flood.

We have different ideas about the two witnesses. I explained my view of Muhammad and Ali. Where do you see Islam fitting in (the worlds second largest religion and in existence over the last 1,400 years). You don't think God would care to have mentioned such a religion in biblical prophecy?

That wasn't Paul. The only one taken to the 3rd heaven is the writer of Hebrews:12 as the chastisement that takes place in that chapter is said to be at Mount Sion.That is the same location as the Great White Throne in Re:2 and New Jerusalem in Re:21 and 22. The only other person shown that was the Beloved Disciple when she wrote the Book of Revelations.

So who was the author then, and why not Paul?

 

[RESOLUTION]

I believe one may know that but unless one receives Jesus as Lord and Savior it isn't internalized and pointless. I may have matches to light a fire but if I ignore the matches and try to rub two sticks together it makes the matches pointless.

King James Bible
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Acts 10:
42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

But in the truth of Christ you need not matches or two sticks to make fire. A magnifying glass would light a fire with the rays of the sun carefully directed onto the fire.

For those who believe in their heart receive the power of Gods Holy Spirit. Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life.
It is the heart which counts. God cannot and will not lie, They poured water all over the sacrifice and the Prophet saw God send fire from heaven and it lit.

It isn't about being clever for everyone knows a man cannot speak of himself nor does the power come from man himself.
GOD does his own work 'according' to the bible and the believers.

When a person examines themselves do they do it to ensure they are doing their own will or Gods?

Sometimes the words people write or speak tell us more about whether God is their LORD or the writings and beliefs of man. :-(

 

[pearl]

None of the gospel writers provided eye witness accounts of the key events.[
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Of course they did. Name a key event they did not provide an eyewitness account of.Quote

They contain eye witness accounts handed on by the Apostles. The Evangelists who wrote were not themselves eye witnesses. It is not known who actually penned the Gospels, the 'authors' were attributed by the Church.

 

[MHz]

So who was the author then, and why not Paul?

I just meant that verse was not connected to the time of Saul's conversion rather than Paul was not the writer of Hebrews. It isn't as specified as it is in other places so in that respect it could also be the Beloved Disciple and that would leave only one person to glimpse the 3rd heaven. That would be the home of the 2/3 of created angels that did not sin. They are mentioned in Hebrews:12 so if their new home comes with 'changes' then they can and will be given in marriage and they will have one child that is born perfected. Christ is the child of two perfected beings, God and the Holy Spirit.
When the angels move to their new home their old home is left vacant and mankind takes on immortality like angels have and the new earth just happens to be the whole universe that is made into a garden over eternity. Without including the rest of the information that points to 'perfection' as being a condition that is the end result of a progression of events. 120 to master all there is to know about the emotions that made Adam somebody that should be in charge of somebody else and the time we spend in the new earth learning all the things angels were taught since they were created when the big bang happened (if not sooner)
Our universe and heaven were created by God and the Holy Spirit as an inheritance for their Child. That same child would find His wife from within the lowest parts of what was being created for Him. In Christ's case He met Mary of Bethany when He came back from the 40 days in the wilderness and she will be the 1st person to come back from the grave once all sinners on the planet are dead or in chains. Normally I would expand on that point but that will be later in the post.
As far as who wrote what I would put the 3 Apostles that saw the two same events as being the writers of those Gospels with Peter getting Matthew as it is the largest. Mark and Luke are by the brother James and John so it makes little difference which one wrote which one. Mary of Bethany was a Disciple of John the Baptist in John:1 as she is the un-named one in that chapter as she is the same on that signed off at the end of that Gospel. She is the 'elder lady' mentioned in the Epistles bearing the name of John. The RCC pays homage to the mother of Jesus, the wife of a Son has more love than a mother gets. God designed it that way. Re:12 covers Eve, Mary the Mother, and the last woman mentioned is Mary, the Beloved Disciple of John the Baptist).

Re:19:5-9:
And a voice came out of the throne,
saying,
Praise our God,
all ye his servants,
and ye that fear him,
both small and great.
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude,
and as the voice of many waters,
and as the voice of mighty thunderings,
saying,
Alleluia:
for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Let us be glad and rejoice,
and give honour to him:
for the marriage of the Lamb is come,
and his wife hath made herself ready.
And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen,
clean and white:
for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
And he saith unto me,
Write,
Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb.
And he saith unto me,
These are the true sayings of God.


Fatima's 3rd sign is the appearance of Mary, the wife of Christ as she will be the first one that will include the whole of the 12 tribes as being part of her family but that is outside of the scope of the Bible.

What about Matthew 23:1 ?

I looked at the 'multitude' as being 'temple people' rather than mart of the multitudes He met in His walks. He also uses the term 'you' and 'your' too often to have it not being meant to apply to this particular group of people.

Who is Neb? Nebuchadnezzar?

Neb, the servant of God who was made king of kings with authority over the beasts of the field. Is it an accident that when Christ inherits those beasts in the 1,000 year reign that they are put to sleep or they would have to be sent to the fiery lake with Satan. (resurrection in the new earth is their reward as it is for the lamb that God killed in the garden to make clothes for Adam and Eve) God made sure Neb was a believer before he died.

Da:2:37:
Thou,
O king,
art a king of kings:
for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,
power,
and strength,
and glory.
Da:2:38:
And wheresoever the children of men dwell,
the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand,
and hath made thee ruler over them all.
Thou art this head of gold.

Da:4:37:
Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven,
all whose works are truth,
and his ways judgment:
and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

 

[MHz]

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

You read a lot into this verse:
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. Genesis 3:15

A few years ago it would have been less but today I see it as the best chance I have in explaining my version in the areas it differs from other. Today I can't see anybody not being able to see Re:12 being an expansion on that single verse. With the material in that single chapter we are led to the 4 Gospels as they cover the events related to one of Eve's daughters and the man that would be bruised. The last woman in that chapter is the Scribe who wrote the Gospel of John and Revelations and it is Gentiles gathered to God through her writings that is who will be given safety in the time of the last tribulation. The time she is in is the bruise to Satan's head.

I'm aware of that connection as I've studies Daniel 9:24-27. I wouldn't assume many others make that connection. You might want to dumb it down a little.

Perhaps letting a few chairs fall over might be more appropriate. What follows is an example of why the 70th week might be one of the most important times in the Bible since the exit from the garden and the return to it. It details the 3 1/2 years preceding the completion of both bruises from Ge:3:15. The 70th week from Daniel was completed in the time of the brass as the 'little horn' verses from Da:8 and it started with God calling John the Baptist to start fulfilling some prophecy concerning a covenant. Without knowing which one it is hard to tell what the listed events mean. Apply them to the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15 and they do fit all the points listed. A covenant to complete the two bruises must exist because both are completed in events the Bible covers in a lot of detail.
If I can explain my position by sorting OT prophecies into those two events then that is a bonus to making the explanation as short as possible is it not?? That is no substitute for going over all of them to make sure the context holds true. For the 70 weeks this is the 1st verse that should be considered because it tells you who is in charge later on in the same passage. Not many people do that.

Da:9:4:
And I prayed unto the LORD my God,
and made my confession,
and said,
O Lord,
the great and dreadful God,
keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him,
and to them that keep his commandments;

Da:9:27:
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
and for the overspreading of abominations
he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation,
and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

My version would mean all of these reference Ge:3:15 somehow. Transgression being the one in the garden and it is at the middle of the week that a sacrifice is made to God that is the fulfillment of the bruise to the heel and that also defined that the bruise meant a physical death, for Satan that is being sent to the fiery lake.
The end of sin was Jesus as He died sinless in a sinful world. It was Jesus acting as High Priest that put an end to blood sacrifice. Able's sacrifice became an abomination at the time of the cross and the one that was rejected is the one that God finds acceptable on an altar since the cross. That will be the sacrifice brought to Christ's temple during the 1,000 year reign.
The cross was payment to God for the sin referenced in Ge:3:15, Satan being in chains in the Pit will be payment to God by Satan. Jesus filled himself in for Mary his mother.
Law changed from making a blood sacrifice for sin to repenting through a private prayer to God. That form will not change as long as sin exists.The day the 7th trump sounds is the day the last sinner dies.

Da:9:24:
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression,
and to make an end of sins,
and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy.

Interesting connection with the end of the last week.

If the 'latter days' did start on the day Peter experienced Act:10 the Saul could have been reading the Lord's prayer from the Gospel of Luke and when he whispered 'Amen.' that brought about a gift that will be available to people in the period of the trumps as they have to unfold before the return can happen. It is during the last 3 1/2 years that the two witnesses should be exhibiting powers that once belonged to Moses. That is when the doubting Thomas condition would end because protection from physical harm would be proof of existence. Even then only 1/3 of all Gentiles are said to be repented even after 3 1/2 years of proof being available.

Interesting connection again. I'm a little more interested in Cyrus who Isaiah spoke of being the anointed one Isaiah 44 and 45. He ordered the rebuild of the second temple and Jerusalem and presided over one of the largest empires, and multicultural at that.

Neb was the head of gold, Da:4 covers that part of the statue.The silver is in Da:5 and 6 and covers the king you mentioned. The brass is in in Da:8 and that starts off with Alex, the 'little horn' verses cover the whole 500 years that Rome ruled over Jerusalem. We are still waiting for the transition from the brass to the iron/clay kingdom begins.
That is when Da:11 starts and the king of the north and the king of the south don't exist until the 5th trump sounds and then there is 42 months until the return.

We have different ideas about the two witnesses. I explained my view of Muhammad and Ali. Where do you see Islam fitting in (the worlds second largest religion and in existence over the last 1,400 years). You don't think God would care to have mentioned such a religion in biblical prophecy?

Something that resulted from people wanting to be close to God without becoming part of a corrupt Church. The NT says false doctrines will exist the Church doesn't need Islam for that to be a fact. The USSR was the boogieman before, prior to that it could have been pirates of the high seas that was used as the false flag that bilked billions out of the pockets of the poor. This is the updated version.

The US and friends have been training the Secret Police since 1950 so that is where the evil comes in rather than it is found in the book. If you want to go that route the Babylonian Talmud can be used to show that being under the control of Jews who use OT Law is not the best deal Gentiles will ever run into.

Obviously some of these are topics that are deeper than a few lines in a post that is already long.

 

[Muffled]

Don't confuse resurrection with resuscitation. The life of him who has risen from the dead is not once again the bio-logical form of our mortal life within history, it is new, different, beyond the mortal realm of the biological and history, surpassed by a greater power, the Resurrection narratives allow for seeing that the life of the Risen One lies, not within the historical biological but beyond and above it. Take the Emmaus story; Jesus is unrecognizable to the accustomed eye. He is discovered only in the realm of faith. The two recognize Him only by His interpretation of Scripture and the breaking of bread, a reference to the two basic elements in the early Christian worship, the liturgy of the word and the breaking of the bread.

A resuscitated body looks the same but Jesus was not recognized until he showed the nail prints in His hands.

 

[Muffled]

The problem is I dialled a different number and received an answer!

I believe you are not receiving His answer.

 

[Muffled]

What @pcarl makes perfect sense. I think it is very difficult for Christians to challenge mainstream conservative beliefs about the resurrection. I know of academics have lost their posts or even tried for heresy just for saying what they really think.



So why are the Romans placing a criminal into a tomb rather than dumping him in a hole somewhere with all the other bodies.



He hadn't considered the phrase (Divine) physician heal thyself?

I believe the Romans could care less what happens to a dead body so it was not a big deal to them to allow the disciples to take it.

I believe God does what He believes is best. The nail prints allowed Jesus to be identified if He showed His hands and not so easily identified (by enemies) otherwise.

 

[pearl]

A resuscitated body looks the same but Jesus was not recognized until he showed the nail prints in His hands.

That's a contradiction. If His body looked the same He would have been recognized.

 

[pearl]

I believe God does what He believes is best. The nail prints allowed Jesus to be identified if He showed His hands and not so easily identified (by enemies) otherwise.

And what do you think the consequences might have been if the crucified Jesus was recognized by his enemies? Kill Him again?

 

[Dawnofhope]

I believe the Romans could care less what happens to a dead body so it was not a big deal to them to allow the disciples to take it.

As I have said to another on this thread, i acknowledge this is a plausible embellishment to an otherwise implausible story.

I believe God does what He believes is best. The nail prints allowed Jesus to be identified if He showed His hands and not so easily identified (by enemies) otherwise.

This is one of numerous examples where the story lacks credibility as a literal, historic account of events. I believe you are too enamoured with Christianity to appreciate how strange this sounds.

I see it as a mystical account like creation in genesis and Noah's ark.

 

[MHz]

That's a contradiction. If His body looked the same He would have been recognized.

On the baptism on the night of His return He also exited the room by exiting through the wall. A glorified body also has no need for food or water.