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Answer to Paradox of Stone

CogentPhilosopher

CogentPhilosopher

Philosophy Student
Kilgore Trout said:
I realize much theology and philosophy comes down to little more than semantics and word games, but applying a semantical glitch as a serious argument against a god (or omnipotence) doesn't elevate rationalism or skepticism in any way.
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The concept is inherently self defeating.

If a deity is omnipotent than it can create something more powerful than itself.

If something can exist that is more powerful than itself than it is not omnipotent.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
CogentPhilosopher said:
The concept is inherently self defeating.

If a deity is omnipotent than it can create something more powerful than itself.

If something can exist that is more powerful than itself than it is not omnipotent.
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All of which points up Christianity's penchant for overstating conditions without thinking them through or purposely ignoring their implications.

"You know, let's say that god is omnibenevolent. That sounds like a pretty darn good god."

"But look at all the killings and destruction he's set into motion."

"Never mind that stuff. God is omnibenevolent. ..God is omnibenevolent. ..God is omnibenevolent...God is omnibenevolent."

"Yeah! ..God is omnibenevolent. ..God is omnibenevolent. ..God is omnibenevolent...God is omnibenevolent. I'll start making up the flyers this afternoon."

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Akivah

Akivah

Well-Known Member
hispanicmormon said:
The omnipotence paradox, or the paradox of the stone, says that God could not create a stone so heavy that God can't lift it. I have solved this riddle for all theists.
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This is not a paradox within Judaism. We don't believe that G-d can do anything, G-d can't do anything that limits G-d. Whether it's taking a limited form or impregnating a woman, it's impossible for G-d to do that.
 
hispanicmormon

hispanicmormon

Member
CogentPhilosopher said:
But if a god could make a rock that he could never pick up instantly then that god would not be omnipotent.
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Well in that case God is able to time travel to an imaginary future (I'm talking imaginary as in imaginary numbers because a rock that endlessly gains weight never arrives at this perfect future) and pick up the rock at the end of all times and at the end of all things then time travel back to his Omni-timed present.
 
CogentPhilosopher

CogentPhilosopher

Philosophy Student
hispanicmormon said:
Well in that case God is able to time travel to an imaginary future (I'm talking imaginary as in imaginary numbers because a rock that endlessly gains weight never arrives at this perfect future) and pick up the rock at the end of all times and at the end of all things then time travel back to his Omni-timed present.
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Your helping to show my point.

The idea of being omnipotent is self defeating.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
hispanicmormon said:
The omnipotence paradox, or the paradox of the stone, says that God could not create a stone so heavy that God can't lift it. I have solved this riddle for all theists.

God can create a stone that increases in weight forever and ever. God is always applying more force to lift it. But he is never quite finished lifting it because it's always increasing in weight. Thus, God can create a stone that he can lift (as he always applies enough force to technically be lifting it) and that simultaneously he cannot lift (he's never done lifting it).
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have you seen my thread....Black Holes.....?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
CogentPhilosopher said:
The concept is inherently self defeating.

If a deity is omnipotent than it can create something more powerful than itself.

If something can exist that is more powerful than itself than it is not omnipotent.
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This obsession with omnipotence is silly.
Does it require that a deity be capable of achieving 2 + 2 = 5 ?
 
CogentPhilosopher

CogentPhilosopher

Philosophy Student
hispanicmormon said:
It's not that it's self-defeating; it's just beyond human comprehension.
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Oh don't try that bull****, I know your smarter than that.

By that logic I can say: Lord Helix comes into our world from a videogame called Pokemon and then created the world.

What that doesn't make sense? No it's just beyond human comprehension!

Besides if it was beyond human comphresion we spent a long time thinking about the implications of it for not being able to comphrend it.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
hispanicmormon said:
The omnipotence paradox, or the paradox of the stone, says that God could not create a stone so heavy that God can't lift it. I have solved this riddle for all theists.

God can create a stone that increases in weight forever and ever. God is always applying more force to lift it. But he is never quite finished lifting it because it's always increasing in weight. Thus, God can create a stone that he can lift (as he always applies enough force to technically be lifting it) and that simultaneously he cannot lift (he's never done lifting it).
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So God never actually lifts the stone?

I don't see how this solves anything.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
hispanicmormon said:
Well in that case God is able to time travel to an imaginary future (I'm talking imaginary as in imaginary numbers because a rock that endlessly gains weight never arrives at this perfect future) and pick up the rock at the end of all times and at the end of all things then time travel back to his Omni-timed present.
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So God can lift the rock?
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
CogentPhilosopher said:
The concept is inherently self defeating.

If a deity is omnipotent than it can create something more powerful than itself.

If something can exist that is more powerful than itself than it is not omnipotent.
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so.....an explosive made by man....
is more powerful than man

not the op argument ....but....
 
McBell

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
hispanicmormon said:
The omnipotence paradox, or the paradox of the stone, says that God could not create a stone so heavy that God can't lift it. I have solved this riddle for all theists.

God can create a stone that increases in weight forever and ever. God is always applying more force to lift it. But he is never quite finished lifting it because it's always increasing in weight. Thus, God can create a stone that he can lift (as he always applies enough force to technically be lifting it) and that simultaneously he cannot lift (he's never done lifting it).
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except that as he is lifting it he is lifting it thus it was not so heavy he could not lift it.
Thus you have not "solved" anything.
 
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