paarsurrey
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Jesus and Mary belonged to "Judaism" and were "Jews". Please
They were not Catholics. Right?
Please
Regards
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What are your thoughts about the Catholic Church?
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They were not Catholics. Right?
Please
Regards
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
My Faith Statement: "Whatever caused this universe I'll call 'God' and pretty much just leave it at that."
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And how do you supposedly know this?
BTW, how do you think the Catholic Church originated?
It is forbidden under Canon Law for Catholics to pray to statues.
Jesus never celebrated His Birthday? He did like to party, you know. As for His Resurrection, He wasn't around long enough afterwards to celebrate it, but maybe they had some drinks.
His disciples were mostly in a state of shock over it. Then He floated up into the air. Why would they need to pray to themselves to reflect on their own life?
No one prays to statues.
And you can't even get those correct.
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It should Not surprise anyone that non-biblical views are present in 'Christendom' (Catholic and Protestant) because from my viewpoint I believe that gospel writer Luke was forewarning us at Acts of the Apostles 20:28-30 about how non-biblical religious teachings would develop after the end of the first century, and become blended or fused with Scripture although Not really found in Scripture. Unfaithful Jews began mixing with Greeks, and adopted their non-biblical religious philosophies and their theories and began presenting such unscriptural teachings as Scripture although Not Scripture.
Connecting history back even further in time we can trace mankind's religious family tree back to its base roots and go far back to Nimrod's ancient Babylon of Genesis 10:8-10.
In Genesis we do read that sinless Adam chose to sin by breaking God's Law, thus causing Adam to loose his physical perfection ending in his death. So, then father Adam passed down to us his then acquired flawed state of leaning toward wrongdoing. Although we are innocent of Adam's guilt or sin, we are still imperfect and can Not stop sinning thus we also die. Since we can Not resurrect oneself or another we need someone (a perfect replacement for Adam) who can resurrect us. Jesus can and will according to Revelation 1:18 because Jesus is the prefect sinless replacement for sinner Adam. Jesus did Not leave us in the lurch, but made the way out of our sins and death for us.
Unveiled Artist
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I think we can agree that under Canon Law it is forbidden to pray to statues.
However, it is my understanding of Exodus 20:4 and Deuteronomy 5:8-9 that No statures are to be made.
As I read it, religious carvings are Not be made according to Jeremiah 10:3-5.
Since 2 Corinthians 5:7 says 'we walk by faith and Not by sight' then to me sighted religious things should Not be made.
lostwanderingsoul
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In the 10 commandments listed in chapter 20 of Exodus it says, " thou shalt not MAKE unto thee any graven image or any likeness of any thing which is in heaven." Notice the word is MAKE. It does not mention praying to statues or anything like that but it says you shall not MAKE any image of any thing in heaven. So it does not matter if you are not praying to statues, you are forbidden to even MAKE a statue. Unless maybe you do not believe Mary and the saints are in heaven so you can use that technicality because it says don't make an image of anything in heaven.
lostwanderingsoul
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And on another point, Jesus told people that when they pray they should not use repetitions because that is what heathens do. They think God will hear them better if they repeat something over and over. So how many times do catholics repeat the same thing over and over.Ten, twenty, more? Is God partly deaf? He won't hear a prayer if you say it one time? Our father, our father, our father, hail Mary, hail Mary, hail Mary. Yep, just like the heathens.
I understand this definition. I personally delate the word Catholic, because I do not believe that the Roman Church is Catholic in any way one may use the word. I consider it the church under the Bishop of Rome, and one of many churches.
I believe there is significant Pagan beliefs and influence in the Roman Church and to a dgree other traditional christian churches, but I do not consider the Roman Church pagan as JW believers may describe the church, nor do call it Roman, because of the pagan influence.
It is my understanding that the 1st Commandment specifically forbids gods other than Yahweh.
@Tumah disagrees, but nevertheless. ...
One can hardly attend a Christian gathering or place of worship without encountering an image of Jesus. Abraham, Moses, and the Prophets wouldn't recognize any human as God, or even the Son of God, much less a Triune Godhead.
Whatever that means.
Tom
VioletVortex
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They were Jews, yes. Catholicism was the term given to Christianity in Europe after it's assimilation of some Pagan elements.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
Christianity was the term used by some pagans who continued to follow pagan beliefs.
Tumah
Veteran Member
It was just a joke. You're talking about the first of the 10 Commandments. I was talking about the first of the Biblical Commandments.
By image do you think of paintings or pictures just representing Jesus, which is Not the same as a graven image.
There are people who hold as sacred such religious images or statues, by kissing them or the placing of flowers.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
True, but on the other hand, I view prayer more like chanting or some other rhythmic activity to help calm the mind.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Which is one interpretation out of several. Depending on one's beliefs on this matter, it could constitute a "graven image", but what exactly is a "graven image" is not clearly defined in Torah.
For example, do you have any statues of humans or animals in your home? Do you take pictures with a camera because there are some who believe any human or animal image, including a two-dimensional one, constitutes a "graven image"?
For most people, we probably don't think of there being a "graven image" unless it's prayed to as an idol.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But notice the last four words that I underlined above. Also, see my previous post.
It's used as a mantra and is a meditative type of prayer. IOW, while saying the rosary, you're really meditating or praying on something else.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Actually it was the name adopted, along with "Christianity", for the apostolic church.
Also, what are "pagan elements" in this context. Religions take ideas from other religions and cultures, so exactly how do you determine which elements are "pagan" and which aren't? Do you believe that Judaism and Christianity were totally unique and developed from literally nothing but God?