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Sola-Scriptura destroys itself!

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
There are many reasons why Sola-Scriptura (Bible alone Doctrine) doesn't work. I'm going to share one I came across today.

Today I opened my Bible to

Ephesians 5: 29 no one ever hated their own body, but they nourish and care for their bodies, just as Christ does the church

No one ever hated their own body?? WTF!?! All kinds of people hate their body! I passionately hate my flesh and think being human is gross. I hate eating, hate bowel movements, bodily functions, boogers, tooth decay, and if I could be delivered from this

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There are many reasons why Sola-Scriptura (Bible alone Doctrine) doesn't work. I'm going to share one I came across today.

Today I opened my Bible to

Ephesians 5: 29 no one ever hated their own body, but they nourish and care for their bodies, just as Christ does the church

No one ever hated their own body?? WTF!?! All kinds of people hate their body! I passionately hate my flesh and think being human is gross. I hate eating, hate bowel movements, bodily functions, boogers, tooth decay, and if I could be delivered from this body and be a spirit today, I would do so, and I pray it happens, I'm just not going to kill myself because I'm waiting for God's timing (And I don't have firearms). I have also known people who starve themselves, commit suicide, induce vomiting, whip themselves, burn themselves, cut themselves, and abuse their bodies in all sorts of ways.

Yet Scripture says no one ever hated their body but they nourish and care for it as Christ does the Church. Total falsehood! Duh!

This Scripture verse bothers me because yet again I have come across a verse in Scripture that appears completely false. I would like to tell people that Scripture is reliable and doesn't contain falsehood, but I can present multiple Scripture verses that don't mean what they say.

It bothers me because people constantly use Scripture to rebuke people and assume various people are condemned to the "Lake of fire", yet how do we know when the Scripture actually means what it says? Very often Scripture doesn't mean what it says...like John 14:14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.

But the main reason Solascriptura doesn't work is because it is a Doctrine that destroys itself. If the Bible is the final and only authority, then there should have to be something in Scripture that says it is. I will renounce my Catholic Faith today if you can show me where Solascriptura is found in the Bible. Solascriptura has splintered Christianity into thousands of denominations because the Bible is soooo confusing. THE BIBLE DIVIDES PEOPLE!

So, don't condemn someone for doing something that isn't found in the Bible, and how about you don't use Scripture to condemn at all, because Scripture contains clear blatant falsehood, as I have shown you and is loaded with Hyperbole, poetry, parable, and symbolic speech that isn't meant to be taken literal.

Yet people constantly use Scripture to judge and condemn other faiths or say "don't do that, it isn't in the Bible". Nothing in the Bible says something has to be in the Bible to be true!
;)

Well, I agree. People suffering from anorexia are clear counter evidence.

Ciao

- viole
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Mmh. That was not literal?

Ciao

- viole
What was not literal?
no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body,

"They feed" if taken literally means someone who doesn't feed herself is not counted.
But she does decide NOT TO feed herself which is still about feeding.
A sick person is fed a little soup to keep up his strength. Someone who wants to be as thin as she can be feeds herself a little so that she can be thinner.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
What was not literal?
no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body,

"They feed" if taken literally means someone who doesn't feed herself is not counted.
But she does decide NOT TO feed herself which is still about feeding.
A sick person is fed a little soup to keep up his strength. Someone who wants to be as thin as she can be feeds herself a little so that she can be thinner.

What was not literal? You tell me "if taken literally...." and you ask me what was not literal?

Are there other parts that we should not take literally?

Ciao

- viole
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
How about this to make you feel better. The verbal scriptures, that guided the Apostolic Church began being put into written form within 40 years of the Crucifixion. The foundation, rather verbal or written were exactly the same.
But that simply does not change the fact that the scriptures not only were not written before or at the same time as the creation of the church, but also that the canon hadn't also been decided until centuries later, and that was done by the church.

Secondly, the oral tradition was not uniform across the board, which is why selection of the canon was difficult and very time consuming (over 1/2 century).
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What was not literal? You tell me "if taken literally...." and you ask me what was not literal?

Are there other parts that we should not take literally?

Ciao

- viole
Maybe literally isn't the right word.
I am saying that to feed and not to feed both apply to that scripture.
It seems to me that your comment meant that not feeding yourself proves that scripture is wrong.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
If I have to choose between what the Bible says and what some person in Rome says, guess which one I will choose. Are there some verses in The Bible that are hard to understand? Sure Pick any other book that is thousands of years old and see if you can understand every word. But I do not need someone to try to tell what it means and they do not know any more than I do. Much of religion is based on faith and much understanding comes from God, not man.

Some guy from Rome decided what would be included in the Bible along with a number other long hairs.

Much of our understanding of what the Bible passages mean, comes from the leading Roman church fathers, and their writings.
Rome was always wise enough to know that the Bible alone was not enough, and the tradition and wisdom passed down from the Apostles, and through the apostolic succession was necessary for a greater understanding.

The fears of the early protestants, in cutting themselves off from the past wisdom held by the Church of Rome. Left them with only the Bible and their own folly, for knowledge and understanding. Much of what had been passed down from the Apostles was lost to them.
They had thrown the baby out with the bath water....

What can be found in the Bible, if interpreted and understood correctly, is enough to live a Christian life.
However it is the minimum....not the maximum, and even that is unlikely to be understood with out help. Nor is it every thing that can be known, nor everything that is known.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

Well-Known Member
The problem occurs when the Bible plainly teaches one thing and the "church" decides it means something different. Scripture alone may not fully explain every detail but it should not be contradicted,.
 

miodrag

Member
There are many reasons why Sola-Scriptura (Bible alone Doctrine) doesn't work.

Bible alone cannot resolve the problem of theodicy. Neither can the Christianity in general. So, if you reject one take on Christianity, such as Sola scriptura, why not reject the whole thing?
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Bible alone cannot resolve the problem of theodicy. Neither can the Christianity in general. So, if you reject one take on Christianity, such as Sola scriptura, why not reject the whole thing?
Because I find delight in prayer and follow my heart. I encourage all people to pray and listen to the still small voice inside of them :)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Maybe literally isn't the right word.
I am saying that to feed and not to feed both apply to that scripture.
It seems to me that your comment meant that not feeding yourself proves that scripture is wrong.
What proves the Scripture is wrong is that there are people who hate their body.

I wish I was dead and free of this body. I take care of this body, clean it, brush my teeth, and go through the motions, but I hate it and wish I was dead.

I don't kill myself because I believe God and some spirits in Heaven want me to remain alive and die on God's timing. I also don't want to hurt my family by committing suicide.

Still, I hate my body and flesh! It is a burden to me and a cross I don't want to carry and can't wait to be free of it. That Scripture verse is false!
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What proves the Scripture is wrong is that there are people who hate their body.

I wish I was dead and free of this body. I take care of this body, clean it, brush my teeth, and go through the motions, but I hate it and wish I was dead.

I don't kill myself because I believe God and some spirits in Heaven want me to remain alive and die on God's timing. I also don't want to hurt my family by committing suicide.

Still, I hate my body and flesh! It is a burden to me and a cross I don't want to carry and can't wait to be free of it. That Scripture verse is false!
It is not false. You have even admitted that you do nurture it.
Is it true that the body of believers are the temple of God? Do you hate God's temple?
Please see that hate at Ephesians 5:29 just means to love less. You are right to love your flesh less than you do your hope to be free of it.

Ephesians uses the same word hate as other scriptures say; the world hates them who are for Jesus. Do they really? No! They can do without us is all.

Do you care? Look at the link Strong's Greek: 3404. μισέω (miseó) -- to hate and meditate on the scriptures to the right in red.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The truth is that we are not to be putting the desires of the flesh ahead of the love of God to do the will of God.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
It is not false. You have even admitted that you do nurture it.
Is it true that the body of believers are the temple of God? Do you hate God's temple?
Please see that hate at Ephesians 5:29 just means to love less. You are right to love your flesh less than you do your hope to be free of it.

Ephesians uses the same word hate as other scriptures say; the world hates them who are for Jesus. Do they really? No! They can do without us is all.

Do you care? Look at the link Strong's Greek: 3404. μισέω (miseó) -- to hate and meditate on the scriptures to the right in red.
I passionately hate my my flesh. I eat and clean because I don't want to be hungry or stink. I truly hate the flesh and can't wait to die. If it wouldn't hurt my family and if God approved of it, I would kill myself.

Yes , that Scripture is false. There are people who hate their body.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I passionately hate my my flesh. I eat and clean because I don't want to be hungry or stink. I truly hate the flesh and can't wait to die. If it wouldn't hurt my family and if God approved of it, I would kill myself.

Yes , that Scripture is false. There are people who hate their body.
You are young. I might bet that someday you will change your mind and find that the flesh can experience wonderful things. I was the same way at times. I was wrong. It is possible that you might be wrong also.
 
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