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Why will our lives be better if there was no Religion.

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Faith based truth has never helped humanity.
There be science forums.
Religion is not acceptable as an excuse for anything.
The truthful religion is based on the Word of Revelation, while science is based on faith in the "Scientific Method". Please
Regards

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TAKING SCIENCE ON FAITH
By Paul Davies [12.31.06]

"Clearly, then, both religion and science are founded on faith — namely, on belief in the existence of something outside the universe, like an unexplained God or an unexplained set of physical laws, maybe even a huge ensemble of unseen universes, too. For that reason, both monotheistic religion and orthodox science fail to provide a complete account of physical existence."
TAKING SCIENCE ON FAITH | Edge.org
 
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Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
The truthful religion is based on the Word of Revelation, while science is based on faith in the "Scientific Method". Please
Regards

_______________
TAKING SCIENCE ON FAITH
By Paul Davies [12.31.06]

"Clearly, then, both religion and science are founded on faith — namely, on belief in the existence of something outside the universe, like an unexplained God or an unexplained set of physical laws, maybe even a huge ensemble of unseen universes, too. For that reason, both monotheistic religion and orthodox science fail to provide a complete account of physical existence."
TAKING SCIENCE ON FAITH | Edge.org

Religion is based on what folks you've never met claim to be God's will. You're relying on what some guy claimed a thousand or so years ago.

Science expects a person to be able to prove and validate to other people what they claim. There's no need to rely on what someone else claims. You can investigate for yourself. Examine the evidence. Test it to verify. Repeat it any number of times until you feel confident in the accuracy of the claim.

I understand that a person can take the word of a scientist on faith, but if they do, that's not really science.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Religion is based on what folks you've never met claim to be God's will. You're relying on what some guy claimed a thousand or so years ago.

Science expects a person to be able to prove and validate to other people what they claim. There's no need to rely on what someone else claims. You can investigate for yourself. Examine the evidence. Test it to verify. Repeat it any number of times until you feel confident in the accuracy of the claim.

I understand that a person can take the word of a scientist on faith, but if they do, that's not really science.
How many percentage of persons test and verify all the experiments of science?
I don't think many people do it, all goes on faith in science and many a time blind-faith in science.
Any body, please
Regards
 

Thumper

Thank the gods I'm an atheist
How many percentage of persons test and verify all the experiments of science?
I don't think many people do it, all goes on faith in science and many a time blind-faith in science.
Any body, please
Regards
100%
Science builds on previous science, therefore, every aspect of science is always being tested. You might also study the application of inductive reasoning in science.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
How many percentage of persons test and verify all the experiments of science?
I don't think many people do it, all goes on faith in science and many a time blind-faith in science.
Any body, please
Regards

Yes, if they don't test and validate for themselves. It's accepted on faith. And, it can even be blind faith. That's why school is important. In class you verify many experiments. It's expected that you don't take people at their word. You don't need to do every experiment and those that you don't you should remain doubtful of. Science is always questioning itself. Scientists are always trying to validate and invalidate their claims. If a scientist cannot show you how to validate their claim, then it's not science.

If you want to take a scientist at their word, that's up to you, but that's not science. Science does not expect you take anyone at their word. If you do that's your fault. Not the fault of science.
 

Evie

Active Member
I am proposing nothing, I am curious as to what educated people believe will happen when Religion is gone from the world.
Maybe religion is in existence for a reason. And maybe when that reason no longer entails 'religion' then such will no longer be part of human existence.
 

Evie

Active Member
On the RF you constantly see the religious count down. More and more people leaving religion. Religion isn't necessary. Religion causes problems for everyone.

What I need to know is why is a world without religion going to be better.

Will Russia the US and China suddenly get along.
Will Pakistan and Israel suddenly become friends
Will North Korea become a paradise.
Will the US no longer have Women, Immigrant, Black, Gay rights problems.

Please give me you best thoughts for why a world without religion is going to be better. I am extremely curious.

I'll give you 2 problems
The RF will no longer exist.
You won't be able to use religion as your fall back for why everything is bad.
It is my belief that 'religion' exists in human existence for a reason that is not necessarily the reason that is most obvious. And when the reason for its existence is no longer, then 'religion' will no longer be.
 

Evie

Active Member
It is my belief that 'religion' exists in human existence for a reason that is not necessarily the reason that is most obvious. And when the reason for its existence is no longer, then 'religion' will no longer be.
We are unable to 'see' into the powers that govern human existence. As such we cannot know or understand what we really need for our continued existence.
 

Evie

Active Member
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We are unable to 'see' into the powers that govern human existence. As such we cannot know or understand what we really need for our continued existence.
Any human who thinks to know and understand what is best or not best for human existence is fooling the self. Life is as it is, religious beliefs included. And humanity continues to exist. Would life be better without any form of religious beliefs? Obviously not or there would be no such thing as 'religious belief'.
 

Evie

Active Member
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Any human who thinks to know and understand what is best or not best for human existence is fooling the self. Life is as it is, religious beliefs included. And humanity continues to exist. Would life be better without any form of religious beliefs? Obviously not or there would be no such thing as 'religious belief'.
there is a reason for everything. Or what exists would not exist.
 
I am proposing nothing, I am curious as to what educated people believe will happen when Religion is gone from the world.

It won't go from the world, but assuming it did everything depends on what things replace it.

Some people say '1 less thing to divide us', but that assumes it won't be replaced. Nature abhors a vacuum though...

There are countless different beliefs and ideologies that fulfill the role of religion in the irreligious, and new ones continue to arise and old ones come back into vogue.

Many people who are attracted to the certainty of fundamentalist religion would likely be attracted to extreme ideologies. We could expect the growth of non-religious utopian movements, some of which would be violent. The 20th C is full of such movements (not just the big 2 of Communism and Nazism).

The problems of religion are the problems of human nature, they'll keep rearing their ugly heads.
 

Evie

Active Member
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It won't go from the world, but assuming it did everything depends on what things replace it.

Some people say '1 less thing to divide us', but that assumes it won't be replaced. Nature abhors a vacuum though...

There are countless different beliefs and ideologies that fulfill the role of religion in the irreligious, and new ones continue to arise and old ones come back into vogue.

Many people who are attracted to the certainty of fundamentalist religion would likely be attracted to extreme ideologies. We could expect the growth of non-religious utopian movements, some of which would be violent. The 20th C is full of such movements (not just the big 2 of Communism and Nazism).

The problems of religion are the problems of human nature, they'll keep rearing their ugly heads.
Maybe there is something not being seen. How can any human being existing in a world that is a pinprick in the Milky Way Galaxy, which is massive, and one of countless other galaxies, even begin to know why certain things such as religious beliefs are part of human existence. But I absolutely believe there is a valid reason.
 

Evie

Active Member
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Maybe there is something not being seen. How can any human being existing in a world that is a pinprick in the Milky Way Galaxy, which is massive, and one of countless other galaxies, even begin to know why certain things such as religious beliefs are part of human existence. But I absolutely believe there is a valid reason.
Consider the following: basic questions of human existence such as; where did we come from? Why are we here? Is there a form of existence after physical death? The answers to such questions have been searched for by many great thinkers and scholars etc. yet all we have to show for decades of study are beliefs (religious and otherwise), theories, conjecture, speculation and opinions. NO ABSOLUTE Answers. My question is WHY? Why the secrecy?
 

Thumper

Thank the gods I'm an atheist
Religion is what keeps my garbage man content with being a garbage man. He believes he will get his reward in the next life. That works for me.
 

Evie

Active Member
Religion is what keeps my garbage man content with being a garbage man. He believes he will get his reward in the next life. That works for me.
Should be believing that his existence is reward enough. But human nature being what it is......
 

Evie

Active Member
The
On the RF you constantly see the religious count down. More and more people leaving religion. Religion isn't necessary. Religion causes problems for everyone.

What I need to know is why is a world without religion going to be better.

Will Russia the US and China suddenly get along.
Will Pakistan and Israel suddenly become friends
Will North Korea become a paradise.
Will the US no longer have Women, Immigrant, Black, Gay rights problems.

Please give me you best thoughts for why a world without religion is going to be better. I am extremely curious.

I'll give you 2 problems
The RF will no longer exist.
You won't be able to use religion as your fall back for why everything is bad.
The fact Religion has existed for many many centuries, and continues to exist, would indicate that there is a reason for its existence. There are numerous 'beliefs' ( traditional and otherwise), as to why religion exists. The question of whether the people of the world would be better off without it cannot be answered without knowing the reason religion exists. The real reason may be quite different from what has been and still is believed.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
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Consider the following: basic questions of human existence such as; where did we come from? Why are we here? Is there a form of existence after physical death? The answers to such questions have been searched for by many great thinkers and scholars etc. yet all we have to show for decades of study are beliefs (religious and otherwise), theories, conjecture, speculation and opinions. NO ABSOLUTE Answers. My question is WHY? Why the secrecy?

I'm going with the idea that the universe is godless and all religions offering gods are wrong. That pretty much accounts for why nothing has been or likely ever will be found to support any contrary idea.

The answers won't come from theologians. They never have.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The

The fact Religion has existed for many many centuries, and continues to exist, would indicate that there is a reason for its existence. There are numerous 'beliefs' ( traditional and otherwise), as to why religion exists. The question of whether the people of the world would be better off without it cannot be answered without knowing the reason religion exists. The real reason may be quite different from what has been and still is believed.

I think that we know whether the world would be better off with more or less religion. We just look at the ones where religion has the most and least influence. The answer is clear.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
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Science builds on previous science, therefore, every aspect of science is always being tested. You might also study the application of inductive reasoning in science.
How many experiments of science did one perform? There are so many disciplines of science, not possible for one to perform them all.
Regards
 
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