william7
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Would you say that Bible and US Constitution provide a strong right to use cannabis as medicine? See http://cannabisasmedicine.info/
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william7
Member
Actually, look at The Bible & Cannabis especially.
The bible doesn't outlaw anything in and of itself, but to quote George Bush " The constitution's just a g'damn piece of paper" So if the rich people can control our right to use things we need, forcing us to go to pay them for the right to use it, that is good for the rich people.
william7
Member
Exactly how I see it too!
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
I looked at your linked page. It's arguments are juvenile at best. However I have no issues with cannabis use, and have used it.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
I only said "no" because neither directly address the issue at all.
But, as a personal opinion I find that cannabis is far less destructive than alcohol so it nearly makes no sense at all that it is classified worse than drugs like heroin and cocaine.
chessplayer
Member
IMO
Trusting God and following Him doesn`t go together with alcohol and drug abuse , ( medicinal use , I can`t comment )
The Old testament gives insight into the problems associated with people choosing alternatives expressions of worship , child sacrifice etc.
The Bible indicates that God has made us with the hope that we will freely choose to give our ( limited ) worship to Him . That includes the following ...
1....Love Him above all else , and the rest ( family etc ) will be blessed .
2...Worship Him with our money and allow Him to direct our use of it.
When we put something else before God e.g. addictive drugs , alcohol , pornography money , then we can easily end up sacrificing everything ( money , health , careers , family ) on this altar.
If we spend our money on drug abuse then our families will be affected as will our health !
Personally , I think that if you need a chemical substance to give you pleasure , then its not a real experience , it`s fake , so why start down that road ? !
Medicine , food etc are necessary but the other addictive stuff , we can do without , so why tempt yourself.
Trusting God and following Him doesn`t go together with alcohol and drug abuse , ( medicinal use , I can`t comment )
The Old testament gives insight into the problems associated with people choosing alternatives expressions of worship , child sacrifice etc.
The Bible indicates that God has made us with the hope that we will freely choose to give our ( limited ) worship to Him . That includes the following ...
1....Love Him above all else , and the rest ( family etc ) will be blessed .
2...Worship Him with our money and allow Him to direct our use of it.
When we put something else before God e.g. addictive drugs , alcohol , pornography money , then we can easily end up sacrificing everything ( money , health , careers , family ) on this altar.
If we spend our money on drug abuse then our families will be affected as will our health !
Personally , I think that if you need a chemical substance to give you pleasure , then its not a real experience , it`s fake , so why start down that road ? !
Medicine , food etc are necessary but the other addictive stuff , we can do without , so why tempt yourself.
Seablade the Heretic
New Member
On this particular issue, the bible is relatively clear as to cannabis usage and so is the Constitution, albeit both indirectly.
The bible:
Gen 1:30 - And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Last time I looked, cannabis, along with 1000's of other plants, are all edible, e.g., meat, and provide, in part, some measure of benefit, cannabis included.
If, you're a Christian or of another faith that uses the bible, you cannot escape this fundamental aspect of creation in general: that God gave us every green [plant] for [food]; this would by necessity include cannabis.
The Constitution:
Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
This really does answer the question as to the issue of cannabis. The Constitution is silent on this issue since this involves not only personal choice, but an inherit right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as enumerated in the Declaration of Independence.
For example, a prohibition for the States, under the Constitution, is that they cannot make treaties with other nations. However, there is no prohibition against using or not using any plant matter whatsoever. Therefore, it is not illegal under the Constitution and reserved to you.
It cannot be any clearer. There is no condemnation whatsoever from either the Bible nor the Constitution as to the usage of cannabis as a medicine, or even in a recreational setting. Those interested should really study the history of this plant and why there is such a stigma about it and why it's so vilified by governments.
The bible:
Gen 1:30 - And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Last time I looked, cannabis, along with 1000's of other plants, are all edible, e.g., meat, and provide, in part, some measure of benefit, cannabis included.
If, you're a Christian or of another faith that uses the bible, you cannot escape this fundamental aspect of creation in general: that God gave us every green [plant] for [food]; this would by necessity include cannabis.
The Constitution:
Amendment X: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
This really does answer the question as to the issue of cannabis. The Constitution is silent on this issue since this involves not only personal choice, but an inherit right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as enumerated in the Declaration of Independence.
For example, a prohibition for the States, under the Constitution, is that they cannot make treaties with other nations. However, there is no prohibition against using or not using any plant matter whatsoever. Therefore, it is not illegal under the Constitution and reserved to you.
It cannot be any clearer. There is no condemnation whatsoever from either the Bible nor the Constitution as to the usage of cannabis as a medicine, or even in a recreational setting. Those interested should really study the history of this plant and why there is such a stigma about it and why it's so vilified by governments.
Shlomoh
Member
Exodus 30 details the ingredients of the holy anointing oil for the altar. Verse 23 lists one of the ingredients in Hebrew as
KNEY-BOSIM, usually translated as "sweet calamus". Clearly KNEY-BOSIM sounds like cannabis
Simurgh
Atheist Triple Goddess
are you looking for an easy justification for drug use? what difference does it make what either says?and if some are still naive enough to think that cannabis, especially the kind that is engineered today, does not affect people's brains--yes, just like alcohol and cigarettes with all their various additives--then you really bury your head in the sand. but that's another issue. anyhow, the bible is so vague on everything that it makes no difference what it says--it never has. it's about how people interpret that random collection of myths and stories that matters. more precisely, it is what kind of power the people wield who assume the right to interpret the text for others that matters. in the end, the text itself is used to justify so many different opinions that you just pic and choose what you like and say: aha! see I'm right about blah blah blah.
the constitution is apparently just as open to interpretation too, and it always has been. why else would we need lawyers that specialize in constitutional law, if not for the loopholes and open interpretation? same question as before: are you looking for justification? are you trying to show that your god is a micro-manager?
the constitution is apparently just as open to interpretation too, and it always has been. why else would we need lawyers that specialize in constitutional law, if not for the loopholes and open interpretation? same question as before: are you looking for justification? are you trying to show that your god is a micro-manager?
chessplayer
Member
Gen 1:30 - And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Just one point that pops out immediately ...
We are not beasts !
Just one point that pops out immediately ...
We are not beasts !
chessplayer
Member
Anyway , good to chat Simurgh !
Simurgh
Atheist Triple Goddess
no problem with "teaching stuff to others". assuming that a come-to jesus-meeting is all it takes for people to renounce drug addiction, alcoholism, etc. is a bit naive and belies the fact that drug/alcohol addiction treatments take a whole lot more than just the occasional prayer meeting and platitudes spouted by some bible wielding demagogues. i have yet to see prove that religion is the factor that alleviates addiction. sure, some people manage to replace one kind of addiction with another one, namely obsessive religiosity, but in the end there are no millions of people cured from their life styles. and why are there so many religious people in jails and prisons? I rarely come across an atheist there, but plenty of guys who tell me that satan will get me but god has forgiven them. and that argument about them having given up "violent lifestyles" is obviously false--considering that those are mostly "frequent flyers" in the rape, murder, drug-dealing and gang violence departments.
like i said, the bible, and other religious texts justify anything, provide excuses for any kind of behavior, and are really useful when one needs to condemn those who don't agree with the prevailing religious sentiments and/or cannot be controlled by those who have decided that they have the right to tell others how to interpret the accepted fairy tales.
and i still don't get why somebody even worries about what the bible says about weed, why not apply the same to heroin and cocaine? aren't they made from plants too?
like i said, the bible, and other religious texts justify anything, provide excuses for any kind of behavior, and are really useful when one needs to condemn those who don't agree with the prevailing religious sentiments and/or cannot be controlled by those who have decided that they have the right to tell others how to interpret the accepted fairy tales.
and i still don't get why somebody even worries about what the bible says about weed, why not apply the same to heroin and cocaine? aren't they made from plants too?
Blastcat
Active Member
I thought the discussion was to be about the Bible.. not the US Constitution.. do you think both documents are the same?
chessplayer
Member
Simurgh ...I could post you hundreds of examples from my small circle of people , I could tell you my own story , but I suspect that you would not believe any of them . suffice to ask , do you think we would still be discussing this after 2000 years if there was no substance to all this , Note there is no coercion , or pressure to force people into Christianity . You have freedom to accept or reject Jesus , just the same as any love relationship , love has to be given freely otherwise it`s not love.
chessplayer
Member
Simurgh , this is something I collected from the net a while back which sums it up .
The book called “ Life Change “ contains 15 stories of men whose lives were transformed by God , Some were violent gangsters , some were desperate through drink and drug addiction but some were just looking for adventure, Some were top class sportsmen, but the link between all 15 men was the awareness that without god , something was missing .
Also in the Nov 2011 issue of Alpha News is the story of the 16,000 mostly young people who attended the O2 Arena in June for a Christian celebration. ( There because He satisfies a need they have and He is happy to meet that need. )
Around 17 million people have now officially attended the Alpha Course since the first registration in 1992., This course originated from a Church of England in London. ( Attending because they have an interest and need , and God meets those needs.
Shane Taylor , who attacked two prison officers whilst in prison for murder, shares his story of how he went on to find salvation and peace through Christ.
Journalist Tim Lott wrote an article in the Times about a transforming experience at the Holy Trinity Alpha Marriage Course.
Lynne Skidmore ,the Jewish atheist who then found Christ at Morningside Baptist Church In Edinburgh.
Charged with treason and awaiting the death penalty Paul Swala went on an Christian study course. (google Paul Swala )
These are just from one very small group ( The Alpha Course ) from London , albeit with a worldwide ministry .
The book called “ Life Change “ contains 15 stories of men whose lives were transformed by God , Some were violent gangsters , some were desperate through drink and drug addiction but some were just looking for adventure, Some were top class sportsmen, but the link between all 15 men was the awareness that without god , something was missing .
Also in the Nov 2011 issue of Alpha News is the story of the 16,000 mostly young people who attended the O2 Arena in June for a Christian celebration. ( There because He satisfies a need they have and He is happy to meet that need. )
Around 17 million people have now officially attended the Alpha Course since the first registration in 1992., This course originated from a Church of England in London. ( Attending because they have an interest and need , and God meets those needs.
Shane Taylor , who attacked two prison officers whilst in prison for murder, shares his story of how he went on to find salvation and peace through Christ.
Journalist Tim Lott wrote an article in the Times about a transforming experience at the Holy Trinity Alpha Marriage Course.
Lynne Skidmore ,the Jewish atheist who then found Christ at Morningside Baptist Church In Edinburgh.
Charged with treason and awaiting the death penalty Paul Swala went on an Christian study course. (google Paul Swala )
These are just from one very small group ( The Alpha Course ) from London , albeit with a worldwide ministry .
rosends
Well-Known Member
there are 2 different ingredients listed there to note: kinman-besem (fragrant cinnamon) and kney-vesem, fragrant cane. Kaneh sounds like cane.